The Great American Lie: Work Earns Living Wage

[Argarock]

Why do people from America apparently think that a slave wage is the only thing that will spurr people to better themselves so that they don't have to work at MC donalds?

Bad wages isnt going to motivate people to stop working at mcdonalds,
working at mcdonalds will motivate people to stop working at mcdonalds..

[McFuu]

Indeed.

When I was 19 I had two roomates in a 2 bedroom apt. It wasn't ideal, but we made it work.

The g/f moved in and started paying me $600 for rent. That was an instant $7200 raise to me. I'm fucking swimming in money it feels. If your rent is covered, $600 is plenty enough to live off of a month. Hell lease a car for $99 and pay about $100 in insurance and you still have $400. That is exactly how much I take out in cash at the beginning of the month for food and walkaround money.

The problem occurs when people want a new flat screen or the new game system or all this other shit. Modern life is saturated with luxuries that people have deemed to be necessities. It's separating that crap out and you are looking at huge savings.

[Cthulhu 2020]

1st two years of Obama's presidency he had a majority in both houses and even a filler buster proof senate. He still maintained both houses until he lost both of them in 2014. So by my count he has had at least 1 or both houses under democratic control for 6 of his 8 year term. These are not studies that can show bias's these are FACTS!!!!

It takes awhile to get things passed, especially big bills like Obamacare. They had total control for 2 years, then for the remaining 6 conservatives have cock blocked EVERYTHING. They've repeatedly try to pass minimum wage bills and worker rights bills only to be shot down by conservatives.

[Spectral]

working at mcdonalds will motivate people to stop working at mcdonalds..

It really is pretty hard to argue with this. People that want to be doctors, lawyers, and scientists aren't likely to just say, "well, shit, I can make $30K/year at McD's, so why bother?".

[Gen4Glock21]

It takes awhile to get things passed, especially big bills like Obamacare. They had total control for 2 years, then for the remaining 6 conservatives have cock blocked EVERYTHING. They've repeatedly try to pass minimum wage bills and worker rights bills only to be shot down by conservatives.

Try Obamacare was forced down Americans throats hence the democrats being thrown out on their ass and loosing one of the largest majorities ever held in both chambers. If it was so great why did they loose a filler buster proof senate and also loose the house in 2010.

All you did was prove my points. One they maintained control of the senate and congress for the 1st two years. After they lost the house in 2010, Harry Reid refusing to even bring up legislation that could potentially harm fellow democrats for the next 4 years all to keep the remaining seats in the senate that he eventually lost in 2014. Two the democrats controlled both branches of government, I would argue all 3 but the judiciary is debatable, for 6 of his 8 years and got dick done except for something it would appear most did not want.

Blaming republicans or conservatives for all the problems in this country is weak. I notice your side has no problem taking credit for stuff that works but continues to blame everyone else when they don't get their way. Guess that is the democratic way, take no responsibility for your actions blame someone or something else for your short comings.

[Deleted]

You can't just waltz into Mc Donalds put on your paper hat and day one make enough to cover your rent,food,bills no matter where you live.

Picking the right job,is important as well.

Ditch digger starts the job ...shows up on time, never missing a day ...promotes to forman(more money)....continues doing a good job, showing up every day and making sure his crews do their job correctly, he promotes to supervisor(more money)....and promotes one of his ditch diggers to forman.

How on earth is a system where the most common job (ditch digger) doesn't pay enough money to live (rent, food, bills) sustainable?

I mean if they all could become foremans then sure, perhaps it could work, but reality is maybe 1 foreman for every 10 diggers.

[Theinquisition]

How on earth is a system where the most common job (ditch digger) doesn't pay enough money to live (rent, food, bills) sustainable?

I mean if they all could become foremans then sure, perhaps it could work, but reality is maybe 1 foreman for every 10 diggers.

Get some roommates and live frugal?

[Masark]

1st two years of Obama's presidency he had a majority in both houses and even a filler buster proof senate.

Incorrect. He had a filibuster proof majority in the senate from July 7th, 2009 until August 25, 2009 and then again from September 25, 2009 until February 4, 2010. And that only if you count Lieberman as being on their side (which he wasn't, for example, regarding a public option in the PPACA).

[Gen4Glock21]

Incorrect. He had a filibuster proof majority in the senate from July 7th, 2009 until August 25, 2009 and then again from September 25, 2009 until February 4, 2010. And that only if you count Lieberman as being on their side (which he wasn't, for example, regarding a public option in the PPACA).

You are counting Kennedy's death, when Obama was elected they had 60 senate seats. When Kennedy croaked mid way thru then they lost the 60 vote majority. And yes Lieberman voted with them on Obamacare and he was a democrat the only reason he went independent was because he supported Bush's wars and lost his primary run against another more liberal democrat. Lieberman has always been a democrat and will always be a democrat that fact he has an (I) in front of his name means nothing. The liberals forced him to run as an independent. Just like Bernie is an (I), in reality he is a socialist democrat has been his whole life. So if we are talking at the start of his presidency he had a filibuster proof senate.

My point is the only way they get Obamacare through is with the 60 vote majority which they had when they crammed it down our throats. FACT!!!! Not Opinion!!! You want to argue he did not have it for the full 2 years, big whoop the damage was already done by the time they lost Kennedy.

[Masark]

You are counting Kennedy's death, when Obama was elected they had 60 senate seats. When he croaked mid way thru then they lost the 60 vote majority.

No, they did not. On the day of Obama's inauguration, they had 57 seats, counting Sanders and Lieberman. They did not hit 60 seats until July 7th, when Al Franken was seated, and then they lost that when Kennedy died on August 25th, and then regained it when Kirk was appointed to replace Kennedy on September 25th, and then lost it again on February 4th when Brown replaced Kirk following the special election.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Try Obamacare was forced down Americans throats hence the democrats being thrown out on their ass and loosing one of the largest majorities ever held in both chambers. If it was so great why did they loose a filler buster proof senate and also loose the house in 2010.

Republicans cried and screamed and didn't even know what was in the ACA, even though it was available online for anyone to read the entire time it was in deliberations. They proclaimed it was the worst thing ever in the history of the world before it was even halfway done. Republican legislators vowed to block anything Obama sent through. Thanks for proving MY point. Also, Republicans have been gerrymandering the FUCK out of districts the last 8 years, as well as pushing for harsh voter ID laws. They can't win with popularity, so they'll win with being underhanded. Thanks for proving my point.

[Stacyrect]

It really is pretty hard to argue with this. People that want to be doctors, lawyers, and scientists aren't likely to just say, "well, shit, I can make $30K/year at McD's, so why bother?".

Have you ever worked at McD? I tried to work there as a second job and I couldn't take it after 3 6 hour shifts. It wasn't that it was tough, I mentally couldn't take the boredom. Everything is literally done for you, there is no thinking involved other then how do I not burn myself? The amount of fucking beeping in that place is too damn much. Anything that you manually do, there is a trained procedure aka Gold standard on how to do it. The only way I could do that job is if I was fucking blunted as fuck for my shift. It was an eye opening experience for me and I have a lot of respect for anyone who can do that job for a long time and remain sober.

[Gen4Glock21]

No, they did not. On the day of Obama's inauguration, they had 57 seats, counting Sanders and Lieberman. They did not hit 60 seats until July 7th, when Al Franken was seated, and then they lost that when Kennedy died on August 25th, and then regained it when Kirk was appointed to replace Kennedy on September 25th, and then lost it again on February 4th when Brown replaced Kirk following the special election.

Lieberman, Sanders, vote with the democrats 90+% of the time, they are by all accounts democrats, hell Sanders is even running for the democratic nomination yet you are delusional in thinking he is anything other than a democrat. That puts my count up to 59. Franken didn't get seated until late because of a recount making that 60 seats when they forced Obamacare. Without it Obamacare never sees the light of day. He still had a filibuster proof majority I was technically incorrect when I miss wrote and should of stated he had had 60 seats for most of the first two years. The time while Kennedy's seat was unfilled the VP would of still given them the 60th vote so I count that.

[xuros]

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Conservatives will no doubt rewrite history and say these people don't deserve to be paid a living wage. This is what happens when the wealthy go unchecked.

They should bitch at the staffing agency to pay them more or work harder to be hired fulltime by the companies they work for. Work does earn living wages. Just dont expect part time jobs to afford you with a thrilling life!

[Gen4Glock21]

Republicans cried and screamed and didn't even know what was in the ACA, even though it was available online for anyone to read the entire time it was in deliberations. They proclaimed it was the worst thing ever in the history of the world before it was even halfway done. Republican legislators vowed to block anything Obama sent through. Thanks for proving MY point. Also, Republicans have been gerrymandering the FUCK out of districts the last 8 years, as well as pushing for harsh voter ID laws. They can't win with popularity, so they'll win with being underhanded. Thanks for proving my point.

The reason I say forced is the American people did not want this OBAMANation. Poll after Poll the American people rejected this mess yet the democrats pushed it anyways. That is why they got fired. It was sold as a fine then changed to a tax something the democrats swore was not the case when this thing was being proposed. They lied over and over again about it. Remember Obummer stating if you like your doctor you can keep him. Go ask Kirsten Powers a big time liberal who supported Obamacare until she got thrown off her health care provider and forced onto something she didn't want. Obummer also said this would bring health care cost down which by ever measurable account the opposite has occurred. Heath care cost have skyrocketed these are Facts.

[Masark]

Lieberman, Sanders, vote with the democrats 90+% of the time they are by all accounts democrats, that puts my count up to 59.

No, it does not. That 57 is counting Sanders and Lieberman.

He had the filibusterer-proof majority for about 6 months (181 days), and no one was around for a significant period of that due to Christmas break, in addition to the other days when the Senate isn't convened (days off, committees, etc.)

[Cthulhu 2020]

The reason I say forced is the American people did not want this OBAMANation. Poll after Poll the American people rejected this mess yet the democrats pushed it anyways. That is why they got fired. It was sold as a fine then changed to a tax something the democrats swore was not the case when this thing was being proposed. They lied over and over again about it. Remember Obummer stating if you like your doctor you can keep him. Go ask Kirsten Powers a big time liberal who supported Obamacare until she got thrown off her health care provider and forced onto something she didn't want. Obummer also said this would bring health care cost down which by ever measurable account the opposite has occurred. Heath care cost have skyrocketed these are Facts.

The one thing that didn't come true was the keeping your doctor. Can't really call that lie after lie, now can we?

https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlike...did_it/c530lfx

There's the ACA explained and the myths about it dispelled. Not that you'll read it.

[jimmyjingle]

Out of sheer curiosity what factory jobs are like, I recently pulled a stint working at UPS. Basically anyone with a good back can get a job here. Because they use it until you can't bend over anymore.

I've gotten into some good schools, and pulled some all nighters, and never slept as well as I did after my first day of work there. I got paid 7.36 dollars an hour after taxes. That's ~8,000 a year for 4-6 hours of work a night. Now, if you work there ten years, you start getting around $20, which is livable. As long as you're getting the necessary physical therapy and nutrition after work to keep your body functioning. And as long as nothing else in your life is demanding your time or energy. Then it's a tolerable wage.

Unless you live in a major metropolitan area. Then you're fucked. By the way, I got a sinus infection about two months in and kept sneezing on the packages. So, if you ordered something from amazon in the summer of 2015, there's a chance you touched my snot. Just so you know.

[Apexis]

Welcome to the global economy where small to medium businesses have to compete with countries that pay anywhere fro a few cent per hour to a couple dollars a day. Manufacturing in the last 30 years or so has been moving to countries that pay crap and allow larger companies to pump out mass quantities of shit product and force the small to medium size companies that make better quality of product to compete for much of the same market.

21st century is about automation and using low skilled workers to max out as much profits as possible. Union put massive amounts of drag on companies and try to squeeze them as much as possible for less and less actual work in return. More and more states are going right to work in order to be able to compete on a global scale market place and we have low skilled people wanting to get $15 dollars per hour to flip a burger that the price would most certain have to go up to compete with other companies.

Running a business with all the regulations and other BS to day in a global market place takes far to long these day to start really getting to where they start to show a ROI.

As for the wealthy, those people have gotten much fatter under the current president in the last 8 years, than they did under the two previous combined, so the wealthy go unchecked no matter who is controlling the white house of the congress. Maybe you ought to actually wake up and look around more, because both political parties have been controlled by the money and power people forever. While the rest of us, including small to medium business try to figure out if we get to eat or who get to keep their job, or who should be promoted into another position, or can we hang on long enough, or do we finally have to close out doors and let everyone go.

You are a typical Liberal OP, always blaming others, but its the very people that you help to support that do the same as the other people on the other side of isle. Today's republican and democrat parties are not all that dissimilar, they bothy enjoy blaming one another for the other not doing something and they both enjoy spend massive amounts of money that future generation will not be able to make enough money to pay it all back.

These parties are so damn broken they both need to blown to hell and never allowed to resurface again. That won't happen as long as there are people like yourself the keep drinking their Kool Aid and carry their water of either side of the political divide.

Oh, by the way it was just reported yesterday that there is some 6 million white collared jobs that are currently not filled in the US. The problem these business are running into is there are not enough skilled people to actually fill them. We got jobs, but people need to be actually need to want to work from the bottom up, like many used to do in this country. Today though, some think they should walk out of school and instantly make 60 to 100k for not knowing squat.

People don't even want to get dirty today, there are boatloads of those jobs that pay well and don't require much level of skill, though they do require one to actually get dirty. Something that the current generations don't seem to want to do manual labor task, but they want to get paid $15 dollars an hour to flip a burger.

[Masark]

Oh, by the way it was just reported yesterday that there is some 6 million white collared jobs that are currently not filled in the US. The problem these business are running into is there are not enough skilled people to actually fill them. We got jobs, but people need to be actually need to want to work from the bottom up, like many used to do in this country. Today though, some think they should walk out of school and instantly make 60 to 100k for not knowing squat.

People don't even want to get dirty today, there are boatloads of those jobs that pay well and don't require much level of skill, though they do require one to actually get dirty. Something that the current generations don't seem to want to do manual labor task, but they want to get paid $15 dollars an hour to flip a burger.

1. No, the problem is that there aren't 6 million people willing to do those jobs at the pay they're offering. "Looking for someone with 20 years experience with a product that came out last year. Offering 20k/year. BTW, we'll want 30+ hours of unpaid overtime each week.

2. You mean they want wages and work conditions comparable to what the previous generation or two got?

3. So you whine about people not taking white collar jobs, then jump to them not being interested in jobs where the conditions, pay, and benefits are worse?

4. No, they want the wages to go up in general. That's what a minimum wage hike does, provided that corporations get told to put on their big boy pants, pay what "the market" then demands, and aren't allowed to offshore/import H1-Bs, etc.