You want equality in the armed services? Well here you go.

[stomination]

No professional army will lower the standards. I know for a fact that Turkish Army doesn't. I am quite positive that American Army won't as well.

They sort of already did.

[Wolfheart9]

Yes like that. Cept he remained combat effective until pushed out of the ring.

She got clocked and it was game over.

You mean how in her match, the guy who knocked her over instantly started to swing at her again, and in the male match they did not? Or how the Ref ran over the second she was downed and being hit on the ground, and in the male match he did not? Interesting.

[Kathandira]

Besides watching privates beat the crap out of eachother, pugils are meant to teach them bayonet movements, for those that were wondering .

Or in general someone rushing you trying to get you on your back, or onto your stomach where you are more vulnerable.

[Lenonis]

I barely believe that.

What part of that don't you believe? That I couldn't propel myself over a wall?

[Deleted]

I spent 5 minutes googling and found several videos of male US soldiers being one punch KO'd. Does her gender or sex mean anything? No. Soldiers get punched out regardless of whether they've got a penis or not. And, just to be clear, those "men" got punched out, by simple punches, with boxing gloves on. This girl got run over by a huge guy.

However... Just to be clear... They don't teach you to blindly run at your enemies like that, for reals, in the US military?

[stomination]

What part of that don't you believe? That I couldn't propel myself over a wall?

All of that in 5 seconds with ur legs

[Kathandira]

I spent 5 minutes googling and found several videos of male US soldiers being one punch KO'd. Does her gender or sex mean anything? No. Soldiers get punched out regardless of whether they've got a penis or not. And, just to be clear, those "men" got punched out, by simple punches, with boxing gloves on. This girl got run over by a huge guy.

Punched? Or hit with Pugil sticks?

These would be quite different situations.

[Kuntantee]

They sort of already did.

Like how?

/10char

[Lenonis]

Same. Not sure I understand what he is saying though. Sounds like he thinks he is a cricket or something.

/facepalm.

C'mon people. Hanging and having to pull yourself up is an entirely different physical challenge than anything where you can brace yourself or get a jump start or whatnot.

I have a weird issue with my shoulder that makes them weaker than the rest of me. The initial part of a pull is tough, but once I get past that I can lift my body weight because my biceps don't have the same issue. So if I can jump to get past that initial part I can do plenty of pull ups.

I've done weight training include a whole bunch of odd sorts of exercises where I've learned that isolating muscles and being able to coordinate muscles can yield entirely different results.

[stomination]

I spent 5 minutes googling and found several videos of male US soldiers being one punch KO'd. Does her gender or sex mean anything? No. Soldiers get punched out regardless of whether they've got a penis or not. And, just to be clear, those "men" got punched out, by simple punches, with boxing gloves on. This girl got run over by a huge guy.

However... Just to be clear... They don't teach you to blindly run at your enemies like that, for reals, in the US military?

Well if you saw her as an equal you would probably have called her a woman. And yes you do charge at ur enemy like that to surprise them in hand to hand combat sometimes.

[Lenonis]

All of that in 5 seconds with ur legs

Last post on this topic. Not JUST with my legs, but using my legs to compensate for shoulders that aren't as strong as everything else.

That's alllllllllllllll I'm saying. testing muscles in isolation is a poor substitute for testing in a practical environment.

[purebalance]

My question ends up being what the purpose of these tests are. Let's take the pull up one...what does that correlate to in the field? If a woman can't do pullups what risk does that pose?

I hate pull ups. With a passion. My arms have never been my strong part. Stupid weak ass shoulders of mine.

Doesn't matter really. Those standards are also used for promotion therefore you have 2 conclusions you have to adhere to: Women are weaker or women have an easier time getting promoted.

The Army Physical Fitness Test is a MAJOR part of getting promoted from Specialist to Sergeant to Staff Sergeant and if you fail it you can't get promoted at all much less have to go to special pt more than the rest of the unit and face essentially being fired if you don't pass after 90 days of failure. So when a female between 18 and 21 only has to do 19 push ups to pass and a male has to do 42 to pass, there is a problem and above conclusions apply.

[Deleted]

Punched? Or hit with Pugil sticks?

These would be quite different situations.

Yeah I know. It's much easier to KO someone by using a melee weapon, than just your fists. To be fair though, the girl in the video wasn't hit by a weapon. She was run over by the guy, who didn't even use his stick. Also, she wasn't even KO'd. She just fell.

[Azadina]

Get you and your 50lbs of gear up over this wall. You have 5 seconds. Move!

Can always make the wall go away, and then pass thru

[purebalance]

Enough said, really.

It really isn't because when said cowardly person shoots your cowardly team member, you need to transport them out or they die. If you don't have physical strength needed to do so, they die.

[stomination]

Like how?

/10char

Lighter rucksacks during training on marches is one example.

[Kathandira]

Yeah I know. It's much easier to KO someone by using a melee weapon, than just your fists. To be fair though, the girl in the video wasn't hit by a weapon. She was run over by the guy, who didn't even use his stick. Also, she wasn't even KO'd. She just fell.

I was honestly thinking of it the other way around. These people are wearing protective gear. I could see someone getting knocked out a lot easier if they didn't have head gear, and padded sticks. A bare skull and a fist is quite effective = )

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Can always make the wall go away, and then pass thru

I like the way you think.

[Deleted]

A bare skull and a fist is quite effective = )

Well the videos I found, the guys had boxing gloves on, and in some, headgear as well. Pathetic, really, is what it looked like.

[AlphaOut]

Then why isn't the admittance test having to pull yourself up an 8 ft grape row with an assault pack and weapon?

If someone (gender doesn't really matter frankly) could somehow compensate either with other muscles or adrenaline that wouldn't necessarily apply to just a straight pull up, shouldn't that be more relevant for admittance?

I guess this really is getting off topic...

Because BCT is warrior tasks level 1. Your unit is responsible for anything past that.

[Zantos]

The Marines did an extensive study with empirical data that showed women in a combat unit lower the overall efficiency and capability of a unit. The study was essentially swept under the rug and ignored because people too craven to sign up or who think the military are lumbering oafs, have an opinion.

I saw that as well. That is why females should not be in a combat unit. They just cannot cut it. That is the problem with pushing for "equality" and a good ratio fo men to women in any field. People who Are capable get pushed out for under performers and the incapable.

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Eh, sexual dimorphism is a societal construct.

Actually its not. Its observable in not only the human species, but several animal species as well. Such as females being bigger then males in some insects, and color differences in females and males for animals.