Questions for the Trumplings

[Crillam]

Yes, for illegals.

Haha, good one. Caught my little typo there :P

[Zan15]

i would point you to some of his policies on his web site but most of them are outdated as the last month he has flipped and flopped on almost every one of his stances and policies.

tax the rich, no min wage...wait....less tax on rich...support min wage increases......wait.....less tax on min wage increase...wait what....i am confused..

[stomination]

Serious question here, what are you Trump supporters expecting from Trump, as in what do you think he is going to do for the country? I cannot find any details on what any of his policies might be so maybe you can tell me. He goes as far as saying the US will win and be great...how is he going to make that happen? That is all I want to know.

Thanks in advance to any who answer.

To be honest he will do just about the same thing Clinton will do....Nothing.

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i would point you to some of his policies on his web site but most of them are outdated as the last month he has flipped and flopped on almost every one of his stances and policies.

tax the rich, no min wage...wait....less tax on rich...support min wage increases......wait.....less tax on min wage increase...wait what....i am confused..

Well at least him and clinton have something in common.

[Chetnik]

What I expect Trump to do:

Get rid of TTP, TTIP, and NAFTA
Not start WW3
Ease defense spending by removing our troops from foreign countries that don't want to pay for the troops being there (Germany, Japan, Korea, Saudi Arabia)

The main point is the 2nd and 3rd points. The US "defense" budget is almost $800 billion, which is more than the next 20 countries' defense spending combined. That's absolutely ridiculous, and it needs to end. One of the reasons we ended up with a surplus during Bill Clinton's presidency was because our defense spending was drastically reduced due to the dissolution of the Soviet Union. That can happen again if we stop treating major powers like they're enemies. Imagine a world where the permanent members of the UN Security Council were in agreement more than 90% of the time.

The only war worth fighting now is against Daesh. Assad is fighting Daesh. Putin is fighting Daesh. There's no reason the enemy of my enemy can't be my friend.

[IIamaKing]

Ok so you do not know, anyone else actually have an answer?

Keeping the dems out is a very real and valid answer to your question. My parents fucking hate the guy, still going to vote for him for fear of a Hillary White House.

They are even brow beating me for saying I will sit this shit show out and watch. "Not voting is a vote for Hillary" well I am not voting for some pile of shit just to avoid another pile of shit getting elected.

[Grogo]

It has nothing to do with people being sensitive. It goes to the nature of the person calling names. If that person has no respect for the people he wants answers from, why would anyone feel the need to honestly answer? It is clear the person only wants to degrade his supporters and not have an honest discussion.

That was not meant as an insult by any means.

[aethermachine]

According to national polls he's not going to lose. Clinton is an insanely weak candidate, the only reason why she's winning the nomination is because the party establishment is scheming and cheating to prop her up. This opposed to Trump, a guy who ran against the entire GOP establishment and completely destroyed them despite their attempts to scheme and cheat him out of the nomination. Come this November, Hillary will join Mondale, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry as another weak establishment democrat losing the White House to the GOP.

Not sure which poll you are looking at, there's many, but Clinton still averages higher with them all combined. That matters little though as history shows that polls this early are never reliable, don't base your presumptions on polls 6 months ahead of the election.

[HardlyWaken]

Serious question here, what are you Trump supporters expecting from Trump, as in what do you think he is going to do for the country? I cannot find any details on what any of his policies might be so maybe you can tell me. He goes as far as saying the US will win and be great...how is he going to make that happen? That is all I want to know.

Thanks in advance to any who answer.

The way I see a president (any president) is that they signify direction more so than hard plans. Checks and balances within the country (and even outside of the country in some ways) will prevent and dictate a lot of what happens. However, the major things I see presidents do are promote a general direction and mindset as well as empower certain groups (with varying success). I should preface my answers with "I'm not a republican", I consider myself a centrist and believe both sides have things to offer. So anyways, to answer your question:

1. I don't believe at this point Socialism is the best route to take. A lot of youth like the sound of free college and health care because it's most beneficial to them. I agree that being young in the US isn't rainbows and butterflies (I'm 24 and a recent grad), but their wishes are short sighted and take responsibility out of the peoples' hands. Trump wants to remove taxes from college loans and wants to reduce state barriers on insurance which would effectively make college and healthcare cheaper without the risk of costs rising (leading to the government needing more taxes in a loop). Secondly, it doesn't risk a loss of quality in health care or education. In fact, education quality is a major focus from Trump, wishing to remove common core and give more education power to the locals. I also agree that less taxes should be required so long as we can reduce government spending. A smart American who tries hard in life (for the most part, some people get screwed in any system, it's just life unfortunately) is better off saving and allocating funds according to their personal needs rather than paying higher tax rates and having the government spending it for them on their selected "basic human rights", which is an ever-changing and expanding definition.

2. I generally like that he speaks more like a common person. He has gone under fire for this because he doesn't filter himself in a typical politician way. This may make him look less prepared, but the reality is, a script and filtration doesn't make you any more smart, progressive/accepting nor less self-serving. Hillary is a prime example of a person who can say one thing and believe another or have vastly shifting view based on what is necessary to 'believe' at any given time. While ideas can be in flux or how radical you are may fluctuate genuinely (we're human) I've seen enough to feel like she makes decisions more for popularity rather than compromise or learning. As for Bernie, I do find him to be genuine in the sense that I do believe he cares, but I feel he goes too far in pandering to individuals, especially when he says "white people don't know what it's like to be poor", which unlike many of Trump's off-comments that get distorted or taken out of context, is actually what he said.

3. I generally like his ideas. We do have an illegal immigration problem and it does cost a lot of money and saturates the work force. Trump's idea is to remove them, but allow them to then become legal citizens (I don't know the full details, but that is his general idea), which is a vastly superior idea than ignoring a real issue to avoid sounding racist. Similarly, he suggested a temporary ban on muslims until we can find better means of border security and avoid unnecessary terror attacks. While this may be a slightly extreme way to handle it (and he sort of admitted to that), the idea isn't a bad one, nor is it xenophobic. He simply wants to protect people and wants to throttle the ideology that bolsters the threat.

Generally speaking, I feel there are some conservative values (especially based in preserving a functioning family, not omitting gay couples who adopt, it's a great thing) worth holding onto that many democrats and liberals these days tend to diminish, without regards to the cause and effects that they have. I see a lot of far-left people as regressive because feeling has trumped reality, facts (actual facts not surface facts that help push a false narrative) and statistics are now shunned and deemed racist if they expose any underlying problems. This is the major reason i don't support the left. It has its heart in the right place, but not the mind to handle it in a sustainable and lasting way. And what makes it worse is for people who preach tolerance and peace, their tolerance has been a one-way-road and they have been a major piece of the violence that has taken place during this election. As much as I am for equality and peace, you have to expect actual equality and not just expect everyone to pander to your cause, and that's where the liberal left falls short. It's very selfish and full of self-righteous thinking.

As for Trump, he's not as bad as people make him out to be. You can make anything anyone says sound bad if you'd like, but the truth is, he really doesn't talk any different than most Americans do in their living rooms. He's just brave enough to do it in front of a camera.

ALL that said, I don't consider myself deeply Republican because I don't delve that deep into many conservative values outside of economical conservatism. I'm not Christian (and very much-so wish Christianity didn't shadow the republican party) and in MOST respects, I agree with a lot of social progression, just not how it's handled in a violent and forceful way rather than fixing true roots of problems.

[dd614]

I have been there, it is a lot of stating what the end result will be and very little detail on how to get there. So you get Issue - End Result, not much if any on how he achieves it. So same question applies but really...I am looking for what are YOU expecting from Trump?

You won't accept any answer, so why bother with this thread? You start a thread calling Trump supporters "Trumplings" and act like you want to debate. You don't want debate. You want to troll, nothing more. You don't deserve a response.

[Pangean]

What I expect Trump to do:

Get rid of TTP, TTIP, and NAFTA
Not start WW3
Ease defense spending by removing our troops from foreign countries that don't want to pay for the troops being there (Germany, Japan, Korea, Saudi Arabia)

The main point is the 2nd and 3rd points. The US "defense" budget is almost $800 billion, which is more than the next 20 countries' defense spending combined. That's absolutely ridiculous, and it needs to end. One of the reasons we ended up with a surplus during Bill Clinton's presidency was because our defense spending was drastically reduced due to the dissolution of the Soviet Union. That can happen again if we stop treating major powers like they're enemies. Imagine a world where the permanent members of the UN Security Council were in agreement more than 90% of the time.

The only war worth fighting now is against Daesh. Assad is fighting Daesh. Putin is fighting Daesh. There's no reason the enemy of my enemy can't be my friend.

Other than Assad is a war criminal and Putin is an authoritarian, corrupt and criminal looter of the Russian economy. Just those reasons.

[Grogo]

The way I see a president (any president) is that they signify direction more so than hard plans. Checks and balances within the country (and even outside of the country in some ways) will prevent and dictate a lot of what happens. However, the major things I see presidents do are promote a general direction and mindset as well as empower certain groups (with varying success). I should preface my answers with "I'm not a republican", I consider myself a centrist and believe both sides have things to offer. So anyways, to answer your question:

1. I don't believe at this point Socialism is the best route to take. A lot of youth like the sound of free college and health care because it's most beneficial to them. I agree that being young in the US isn't rainbows and butterflies (I'm 24 and a recent grad), but their wishes are short sighted and take responsibility out of the peoples' hands. Trump wants to remove taxes from college loans and wants to reduce state barriers on insurance which would effectively make college and healthcare cheaper without the risk of costs rising (leading to the government needing more taxes in a loop). Secondly, it doesn't risk a loss of quality in health care or education. In fact, education quality is a major focus from Trump, wishing to remove common core and give more education power to the locals. I also agree that less taxes should be required so long as we can reduce government spending. A smart American who tries hard in life (for the most part, some people get screwed in any system, it's just life unfortunately) is better off saving and allocating funds according to their personal needs rather than paying higher tax rates and having the government spending it for them on their selected "basic human rights", which is an ever-changing and expanding definition.

2. I generally like that he speaks more like a common person. He has gone under fire for this because he doesn't filter himself in a typical politician way. This may make him look less prepared, but the reality is, a script and filtration doesn't make you any more smart, progressive/accepting nor less self-serving. Hillary is a prime example of a person who can say one thing and believe another or have vastly shifting view based on what is necessary to 'believe' at any given time. While ideas can be in flux or how radical you are may fluctuate genuinely (we're human) I've seen enough to feel like she makes decisions more for popularity rather than compromise or learning. As for Bernie, I do find him to be genuine in the sense that I do believe he cares, but I feel he goes too far in pandering to individuals, especially when he says "white people don't know what it's like to be poor", which unlike many of Trump's off-comments that get distorted or taken out of context, is actually what he said.

3. I generally like his ideas. We do have an illegal immigration problem and it does cost a lot of money and saturates the work force. Trump's idea is to remove them, but allow them to then become legal citizens (I don't know the full details, but that is his general idea), which is a vastly superior idea than ignoring a real issue to avoid sounding racist. Similarly, he suggested a temporary ban on muslims until we can find better means of border security and avoid unnecessary terror attacks. While this may be a slightly extreme way to handle it (and he sort of admitted to that), the idea isn't a bad one, nor is it xenophobic. He simply wants to protect people and wants to throttle the ideology that bolsters the threat.

Generally speaking, I feel there are some conservative values (especially based in preserving a functioning family, not omitting gay couples who adopt, it's a great thing) worth holding onto that many democrats and liberals these days tend to diminish, without regards to the cause and effects that they have. I see a lot of far-left people as regressive because feeling has trumped reality, facts (actual facts not surface facts that help push a false narrative) and statistics are now shunned and deemed racist if they expose any underlying problems. This is the major reason i don't support the left. It has its heart in the right place, but not the mind to handle it in a sustainable and lasting way. And what makes it worse is for people who preach tolerance and peace, their tolerance has been a one-way-road and they have been a major piece of the violence that has taken place during this election. As much as I am for equality and peace, you have to expect actual equality and not just expect everyone to pander to your cause, and that's where the liberal left falls short. It's very selfish and full of self-righteous thinking.

As for Trump, he's not as bad as people make him out to be. You can make anything anyone says sound bad if you'd like, but the truth is, he really doesn't talk any different than most Americans do in their living rooms. He's just brave enough to do it in front of a camera.

ALL that said, I don't consider myself deeply Republican because I don't delve that deep into many conservative values outside of economical conservatism. I'm not Christian (and very much-so wish Christianity didn't shadow the republican party) and in MOST respects, I agree with a lot of social progression, just not how it's handled in a violent and forceful way rather than fixing true roots of problems.

Thanks for that answer, I am trying to see what some of you are actually feeling/thinking and there is no wrong answer to my question. I am not going to follow up with questions or remarks, I genuinely want to know why you support him and you answered very well. I hope more can do this in this thread without Dem supporters or whomever judging.

[Detritivores]

The reason you don't find details is because everyone knows spelling out policy before you actually get into office is absolutely useless. No one has the up to date information to be able to make a policy decision until they are actually there. He runs on broad strokes of what he wants to do because he realizes that until he has a team of people together to assess current situations that making policy promises is pants on head retarded.

That's a load of apologist horse shit. It's not hard to have general policies and principles that you support. No one is asking his to pre-draft every piece of legislation he's going to sign. But it's not unreasonable to ask for coherent policy positions in greater detail than "winning" and "so great."

[Dug]

For most on this website: he make the ess jay dubyas angry! Top kek!

[petej0]

That was not meant as an insult by any means.

Then why wouldnt you just say "Trump supporters"?

[Felya]

Trumplodytes is more fitting...

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Then why wouldnt you just say "Trump supporters"?

Because Trump's underwear is none of your business...

[timberx]

Then why wouldnt you just say "Trump supporters"?

Why does he have to be so PC?

[petej0]

That's a load of apologist horse shit. It's not hard to have general policies and principles that you support. No one is asking his to pre-draft every piece of legislation he's going to sign. But it's not unreasonable to ask for coherent policy positions in greater detail than "winning" and "so great."

His website has some detailed items. Honestly it is not really much different then most other candidates. Detailed here, glossed over there.

[Detritivores]

Trump wants to remove taxes from college loans0

What is this statement referring to? I have depressingly deep experience with education loans and have never been "taxed" a penny on them. There are very small origination fees for some loans, but it would be like pissing into the Atlantic to eliminate those and act like that accomplished anything. If you're referring to the ridiculous interest rates on government loans, that would make sense, but that still doesn't do much to address the problem of forcing a generation into perpetual debt just to have degrees...

[petej0]

Why does he have to be so PC?

If you want to be taken seriously you dont go name calling or appear to be name calling. You dont show up to a debate and name call your opponents.

[runique]

I live in Arkansas, in a specific area where many are straight republican voters. I hear a lot of shit that basically boils down to people thinking that no matter how evil Donald Trump is, he can't be as evil as someone who declares themselves to be a democrat. Not that you don't see that from democrats in my area either, a lot of people in southern states in general don't question what they were raised into and can never be wrong.