Why does this forum lean to the left?

[Skroe]

I don't know. The fact you are voting for Hillary Clinton kind of taints your image of "Conservative."

If you said "I am not voting this election because neither Clinton Nor Trump represents me" than sure, I could believe you.

A vote for no-one is a vote for Donald Trump. As is a vote for a Third Party.

Because Conservatism can survive 4 years of Hillary Clinton. It'll be fatally undermined by 4 years of Trump's racist, authoritarian, cryptofascist nativism.

Because Hillary's foreign policy is basically the traditional Republican Realist base returned.

Because good governance is more important than anything else, and if nothing else, Hillary Clinton will govern "well enough" compared to Donald Trump.

No such thing as a perfect solution. That's plenty of self-professed conservatives problem. They want 100% solutions in a world filled with 40% ones. For all the good that's done them.

[vareck]

The US already has border protection. Somehow the idea that the US has no border protection at all and people just walk freely in has become a common place belief.

And it's more the calling illegal immigrants rapists and murderers that's racist.

It was never clear if he was using "their" or "they're" in that sentence. "Sending their murderers, their rapists" vs "they're murderers, they're rapists." Where is the word racist coming from? Seems like plenty of the Mexican officials that hold high office are pretty white.

Either way, someone claiming the US is far-right in any way is delusional when we have literal communists as university professors and mainstream conservatives preach self-destruction to just a slightly different tune than mainstream liberals do.

[Deleted]

europe has been doing fine...

yes so fine we have one nation tinkering on bankrupcy, 4 others given huge bailouts and a very very serious migration issue causing more nations to look towards aright agenda..

but yeh, leftie socialist policies totally worked out well here.

Because the US is doing so well?

When will you realize, that everyone has different ways of going about governing a country and that YOUR way isn't the one and only uniform way to do it?

[alexw]

I still think millennials will be the downfall of the US.

Hopefully I am wrong. But the signs I have been seeing are so very worrisome.

Lol what? You do realize that the political right-wing have been the dominant political force in this country for the last 30 years, so the atrocious state the nation is now in for the majority of the population can be firmly laid at their door? That its all a result of right-wing policies? In point of fact how is that 30 years of stagnant wages treating you? The downfall of the US has been a right-wing construct not the left.

[Dextroden]

Considering Obama is trying to get all the schools in the country to cater to transgendered folks, and the fact the white house shined rainbow colors on the white house (yet oddly missed the 4th of July colors) kind of makes me believe Obama is a liberal, yeah...

Obama isn't running for reelection, so he's just being pointlessly grandstanding on a "hot button issue" that has zero business even being a issue with the plethora of actually meaningful things that can be adressed.

[Adam Jensen]

Age group that typically posts here tends to also be more liberal.

And we've got a lot of Europeans who also tend to be liberal.

[Lahis]

Trump could debate himself 8/16 years ago as well. As could most people. Everyone changes over decades of time. I know I sure as hell have.

Hell, Trump could debate himself from his current champaing.

[Deleted]

Clamp down on oligarchy, corruption, lack of empathy and compassion towards others of another creed. Change of ecocomic and social structure to accomodate a new era of technology. Transparency of government and what they do, who funds them and why. Close the fossil fuel industry, build a more sustainable future. Dig up the truth of many conspiracies that exist that have plagued the planet since JKF was assinated by the establishment. Rework money creation, relieve the private banks of their power to create money through the fractional reserve banking system. Close tax loopholes, policy creation by academics and science. Last but not least, legalise non addictive, non harmful drugs such as cannabis and hallucinogens. Deprivatise public services to stop profiteering, reverse the structure so that it's run from the bottom up.

Jeremy.. what you doing posting on MMO champ.

Do you really believe all that bullshit, or is your anty tory trigger kicking you into overdrive

[vareck]

That is incorrect. Its true it used to be that way, but millennials lean much more leftward and as they have begun to replace right-leaning boomers the country has shifted towards a center-left stance. The whole republican shtick has been about using their political power to halt the implementation of the agenda of this center left majority. Its doomed to fail though - much like the tide, you can't stop demographics.

But you can stop the influx of democrat voters from other countries!

[purebalance]

Left.

"You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means". US left is more like centrists in EU.

You're right, but not in the way you think.

BLM is technically right wing

Modern feminists are right wing.

Trans rights people are right wing.

"Follow my beliefs or I'll force you to do so" is not leftist.

[Narwal]

Most humans care about humans other than themselves. Most humans are "left".

Both sides have families and care for them.

[alexw]

Not at all.

It's just that there are very few legitimately conservatively, intellectual, principled people here.

What we have a lot of is cartoon characters who put Donald Trump in their avatar and rant about everything Barack Obama does, big and small, because they never learned how to pick their battles. Or we have people whose love of guns have overridden their common sense to the point of irrationality. When the mods toss those people out, that's pest control, not conservative hunting. Those jokers add nothing to the discussion other than mental junk food.

Those people aren't conservatives. They're extremist performance artists whose belief system has no philosophical basis. They're too dumb for that. It takes smart people to be principled conservatives and principled liberals. There are certainly some of those on both sides.

Oh so much this. The mods are just taking the garbage out. Once they take out the racists, homophobes, bigots, misogynists, etc, there isn't much left.

[PC2]

Because Conservatism can survive 4 years of Hillary Clinton. It'll be fatally undermined by 4 years of Trump's racist, authoritarian, cryptofascist nativism.

It's already fatal based on demographic change, may as well go all out.

Finland never recovered. I'm sitting here terrified at what will happen when the next global recession hits in 5-10 years.

Findland also has high income and 50k GDP per capita, many countries survive on way less. I don't see why you would be terrified, unless you are talking an apocalypse scale problem.

[BuckSparkles]

Of the two main candidates Clinton is the conservative. Trump is a radical populist.

Trump I would say is moderate.

Or at least closer to the middle than some people might scream.

[Deleted]

Jeremy.. what you doing posting on MMO champ.

Do you really believe all that bullshit, or is your anty tory trigger kicking you into overdrive

The educated are coming.

[Narwal]

People who benefit from government handouts are typically left leaning. Most people not getting government handouts are at work, and don't have access to these forums.

[BuckSparkles]

You're right, but not in the way you think.

BLM is technically right wing

Modern feminists are right wing.

Trans rights people are right wing.

"Follow my beliefs or I'll force you to do so" is not leftist.

Ahaha....hahah....

I am glad you think so.

By the way, Stalin says hello.

[vareck]

The truly informed lean in neither direction and understand the whole thing is a game to keep you subjugated and 'engaged'.

The only game is party politics. When you operate outside of the strict ideas of the two mainstream parties you can get a much better picture of things. Liberals and Conservatives alike accuse me of being a republican because of my stances on some issues, and a Nazi because of my stances on some others!

[Anevers]

People who benefit from government handouts are typically left leaning. Most people not getting government handouts are at work, and don't have access to these forums.

Do you have any proof to back up this claim or are you relying on generalizations for your arguement?

[Sky High]

the board is international. which is probably the biggest contributing factor. but really, who cares, what difference does it make if it has some slant or not.