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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    You can replace liberal in that post with conservative and still be right, same goes with people trying to merely shut down a debate by using catch phrases as SJW while all they really do is define how much of a moron they really are. Morons are found in every group, i am actually surprised that people define themselves by their political stance while if people had to look at politics on a more per issue basis they would find themselves on different sides on the spectrum spread over several issues.

    Also if people have to be told that there are close minded morons everywhere, they have greater issues than defining their political stance. This is why a mixture of left and right is often the best outcome for a government and why extremes should never be let to rule unchecked, but good thing that extremes generally never get in power without it having disastrous outcomes and no despite all the dramatic shows opposition like to put forward this hasn't happened in the west over the last few decades.
    please give me one example where conservatives on any university campus violently protested made asses out of them selves to stop a liberal speakers from attending or disrupting that liberal speakers speech?
    I will be waiting patiently for your example
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    So does gender. As we all know in the current year, gender is a social construct that is performed, not something that's hardcoded. If someone thinks they're a woman and acts out gender as a woman, well damn it, she's a woman.
    No, transgenderism isn't an ideology that changes based on what information is presented to them. It essentially is hardcoded into their brains that they're the wrong gender, the wrong sex. There's a reason some in the psychological fields refer to it as a Gender Identity Disorder or Dismorphia. With that said, they obviously shouldn't be judged for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Wouldn't it be hypocritical to, at the same time, support the right to get married for homosexuals and at the same time support people that think they should be treated like subhumans?

    For most people 'supporting gay rights' also includes speaking out and trying to stop the people that want to limit those rights.


    Extreme rightwingers hate everyone that is slightly different and the liberals want people to believe what they want, as long as they follow the rules and allow others to have their freedom.

    How is that puzzling?
    what a line of crap
    liberals hate everyone that doesn't think like them and liberals don't think people that don't think like them have any rights

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    what a line of crap
    liberals hate everyone that doesn't think like them and liberals don't think people that don't think like them have any rights
    Not even an 'extreme' qualifier - nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    but they actively discriminate against conservatives.
    You try to basically shut down an institution (see what Republican state governments have done to public university funding over the last 40 years or so, such as what Reagan did to the UC) and suddenly they don't like you.

    Funny how that works.

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    liberals want people to believe what they want, as long as they follow the rules
    *as defined by said liberals.

    Which is why these kinds of "liberals" are not really liberals at all.

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    Universities have been 'left wing bubbles' for as long as universities have existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    please give me one example where conservatives on any university campus violently protested made asses out of them selves to stop a liberal speakers from attending or disrupting that liberal speakers speech?
    I will be waiting patiently for your example
    Have you thought of actually responding to what he actually wrote?
    What are we gonna do now? Taking off his turban, they said, is this man a Jew?
    'Cause they're working for the clampdown
    They put up a poster saying we earn more than you!
    When we're working for the clampdown
    We will teach our twisted speech To the young believers
    We will train our blue-eyed men To be young believers

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Were the same found for discrimination against Muslims instead of Evangelicals, there would be much hand-wringing and declarations that we need to have a national conversation about Christian privilege. Academics revile conservatives and Evangelicals? No problem! Working as intended everyone!

    Here's a professor that sits on hiring committees openly declaring that he'd use religiosity as a proxy for other views he doesn't like and would discriminate against Evangelicals:

    This is, of course, blatantly in violation of equal opportunity employment, but academics are sufficiently comfortable that they can get away with it that they'll put their name on it in writing.
    I mean how "wrong" are they truly.... right leaning evangelicals have been... quite the force in legalized bigotry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Were the same found for discrimination against Muslims instead of Evangelicals, there would be much hand-wringing and declarations that we need to have a national conversation about Christian privilege. Academics revile conservatives and Evangelicals? No problem! Working as intended everyone!

    Here's a professor that sits on hiring committees openly declaring that he'd use religiosity as a proxy for other views he doesn't like and would discriminate against Evangelicals:

    This is, of course, blatantly in violation of equal opportunity employment, but academics are sufficiently comfortable that they can get away with it that they'll put their name on it in writing.
    Err no. You are conflating different things. Muslim = Christian. Islamist = Evangelical I'm sure they would discriminate against Islamists just as much as they would against evangelicals. I.e. they discriminate against extremes as they feel those individuals would try to pass on some of their extreme beliefs in their teaching which is something universities don't want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Interestingly, this is basically the position of conservatives (and libertarians) - employers should be able to discriminate on the basis of religion. If someone says, "I don't want to hire atheists, I don't trust their ethics", conservatives generally believe this is just fine. Most leftists (and modern centrists) disagree and as a result have passed laws against such religious discrimination. For better or worse, it's explicitly codified in American law that you can't discriminate in hiring on the basis of religion without very good reasons (and no, "I don't like their beliefs" is not a sufficiently good reason).

    What rankles is the hypocrisy on display - academics are among the people most likely to believe that laws preventing discrimination against protected groups are important and should be enforced. Unless, of course, they want to discriminate against some protected group that they don't like - that's different.
    Its not discriminating based on religion, but on their teaching. They don't care about what religion they hold but rather how that will influence their teaching. If someone says they believe gays are an abomination, that the earth is only 6000 years old and scientists saying otherwise are frauds, then they don't want to take the risk that that individual will try to impart to those beliefs to his or her students. That their belief system is so strong that they cannot hold it in check when it comes to student interaction. Now if that individual had said I am a Christian and regularly attend mass then the academic body would not give a damn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    I mean how "wrong" are they truly.... right leaning evangelicals have been... quite the force in legalized bigotry.
    This kind of reasoning could lead one to justifying all kinds of bigotry itself. I mean after all, Muslims have been... "quite the force" in terrorism. I wouldn't want to hire one after seeing all the things they've done!

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    Just so we're clear here, this is mostly an American, partly a UK problem. This doesn't happen, for example, in Finland, at all, and I'd be surprised if it happened elsewhere in Europe either.

    Then again, we don't live in a left vs right black vs white world here in Finland. Our congress consists of people from eight different parties, and there are three other parties in addition to those eight. When you've got party diversity like that, you've also got a diversity of ideals. People aren't just simply "liberal" or "conservative".

    The whole dual party system and left wing vs right wing -system is a bit moronic anyway.

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    "Conservatives" don't go to school unless it is a bible college. I went to college, grad school/PHD and I never noticed this "persecution". Then again, high-school drops out don't go to college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Wouldn't it be hypocritical to, at the same time, support the right to get married for homosexuals and at the same time support people that think they should be treated like subhumans?

    For most people 'supporting gay rights' also includes speaking out and trying to stop the people that want to limit those rights.


    Extreme rightwingers hate everyone that is slightly different and the liberals want people to believe what they want, as long as they follow the rules and allow others to have their freedom.

    How is that puzzling?
    Likely because liberals subscribe to some minority groups deserve more freedoms then others especially when it comes to free speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pangean View Post
    Have you thought of actually responding to what he actually wrote?
    yes I read what he wrote and he was making a lame attempt to make an equivalence between the liberals and conservatives on college campuses and there isn't any equivalence. you don't have consevarives protesting, making asses out of them selves, beating on doors, pulling fire alarms, rushing the stage, intimidating attendents when liberals come to speak as we have seen over and over again what liberls do when a conservative comes to speak on college campuses

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdbond592 View Post
    "Conservatives" don't go to school unless it is a bible college. I went to college, grad school/PHD and I never noticed this "persecution". Then again, high-school drops out don't go to college.
    They tend to be engineers or go straight into stem. Most don't share your interpretive dance course.

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    I just watched the movie 1984 again, its so creepy now compared to when i watched it 10 years ago........thats where liberals are taking us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    yes I read what he wrote and he was making a lame attempt to make an equivalence between the liberals and conservatives on college campuses and there isn't any equivalence. you don't have consevarives protesting, making asses out of them selves, beating on doors, pulling fire alarms, rushing the stage, intimidating attendents when liberals come to speak as we have seen over and over again what liberls do when a conservative comes to speak on college campuses
    You say yes, you thought of responding to what he actually said and then you write this nonsense, which still is not. Clearly it's not possible for you to actually do so.
    What are we gonna do now? Taking off his turban, they said, is this man a Jew?
    'Cause they're working for the clampdown
    They put up a poster saying we earn more than you!
    When we're working for the clampdown
    We will teach our twisted speech To the young believers
    We will train our blue-eyed men To be young believers

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    THis is the logical result of a society that abandoned objective knowledge or factual truth as a measure of an ideas merit.

    Now this whole "every idea is of equal worth, I just want to have a discussion" has led to this.

    Where an institution supposed to teach knowledge has to spend time discussing and disproving horseshit. Now you cant just have a biology class, you have to "talk about creationism' now you cant just talk about climate science, now you have to wade through all the anti science useless bullshit that oil corps KNOW isnt true, but has been adopted by conservatives as fact anyway.

    THat's the problem with reducing a viewpoint to generalities or a catch all term.

    Do you want a racist? A climate change denier? an Anti vaxxer? A young earth creationist? Any of those in an institution based on teaching scientific fact? Course you dont. But lump all of those together under "Conservative" (except for anti vaxx cuz a lot of em are liberal idiots) and all of a sudden it's discrimination against conservatives.

    I dont know when scientific fact became a platform for ideological debate but it's a load of crap and it has got to stop.

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