[Beta] Vengeance Discussion

[Pruka]

Huge Immolation nerf as expected, that leap sigil seems interesting.... I'd have to look at the talent trees to make sense of it but it looks good

I agree, that nerf was really needed, hit like a truck. Rather it be tuned correctly now before we get it on live. Rest of the changes do look interesting at least. So now we will have to see how they function.

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Demon Hunter Island has tree's!!!!

[Delimit]

It had trees before, they just removed them for some reason.

[Promdates]

Demon Hunter Island has tree's!!!!

It's had trees for a while now.

[FenixAU]

The talent changes *are* in.

[xskarma]

The talent changes *are* in.

Yep.

[gcsmith]

Yep.

So what talents were outright removed.

[Orloth]

Edit: Someone beat me by seconds....

[Ulthlian]

http://legion.wowhead.com/spell=227225/soul-barrier
Is this ability in the game? Always wanted something like this for Vengeance.
Oh, nevermind. Its a talent.

[FenixAU]

http://legion.wowhead.com/spell=227225/soul-barrier
Is this ability in the game? Always wanted something like this for Vengeance.

Yes. Up against Last Resort and Nether Bond in the 110 tier.

[Orloth]

I don't know about y'all, but I'm pretty happy about this. Everything seems to compete much better now, and you'll want most of those talents situationally.

I love Flame Crash, and am interested to see how Abyssal Strike and Flame Crash might compete with Agonizing Flames and Felblade for fire damage dealt.

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So what talents were outright removed.

Etched in Blood, Sigil of Misery, and Brand of the Hunt it looks like.

[gcsmith]

Like I asked before, what did we lose to get the new talents?

[grizzlysaurusrex]

Like I asked before, what did we lose to get the new talents?

Looks like Sigil of Misery and Brand of the Hunt.

[FenixAU]

I'll miss Brand of the Hunt. I actually liked it and used it relatively frequently.

[gcsmith]

Losing the sigil might be a loss, but the other 2 seem almost insignificant.

[Sense]

Looks like Sigil of Misery and Brand of the Hunt.

Losing the sigil might be a loss, but the other 2 seem almost insignificant.

Sigil of Misery isn't a talent anymore, but it is baseline currently.

[gcsmith]

Sigil of Misery isn't a talent anymore, but it is baseline currently.

Ahh cool, seems like a bit of a buff in those senses, though overall loss of tankiness because nerf to self healing

[Deliverer]

from a quick look i have to say i'm happy with the changes i'm downloading now

[Elamahpla]

well, guess its time to ask again, what's everyone running for talents?

http://puu.sh/pexCf/9f4d3c5589.jpg

i like having BT where it is, I haven't used SB too much so I don't know how good/bad it is. Having Feed the Demon on the same row as Fracture and Soul Rending feels really bad, though.

[Orloth]

Right now I'm thinking: AS/Fallout/FC/FtD/CS/BT/LR or AS/Fallout/FC/Fracture/CS/BT/SB depending on the situation.

[Zabbs]

The only thing I am surprised about is the lack of a minor buff to our base mitigation. That may honestly be taken care of through the talent changes. This talent shake up was really needed with the change to talents as more permanent choices and not something switched on the fly. I am very excited to test it out.

Off hand the Soul Barrier change helps shore up our weakness of requiring a target to use Soul Cleave and the hoops required to use Soul Fragments proactively. Not a huge flaw in the class, but it could bite us in the butt with certain encounter design. Spirit Bomb actually doesn't compete against itself as well. I am just Beautiful Minding over here with the new layers.