BREXIT - leave or remain?

[ati87]

yes we are we did not elect anyone in brussels yet they tell us what to do so yes they are un-elected bureaucrats

Every form of government has a non elected body that works ans answers for the elected body.

Not sure what the whole discussion is tbh, what's the argument anyway? That the EU is some sort of robot or foreign overlord that controls everything? The EU is controlled by the members, the individual countries are the members. Do we have a system where 1 party can block everything they want (which is what the anti EU crowd wants it seems)? No but then again that isn't how a healthy democracy should function now is it.

At this point people are just drawing starts to things complain about,

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Every form of government has a non elected body that works ans answers for the elected body.

Not sure what the whole discussion is tbh, what's the argument anyway? That the EU is some sort of robot or foreign overlord that controls everything? The EU is controlled by the members, the individual countries are the members. Do we have a system where 1 party can block everything they want (which is what the anti EU crowd wants it seems)? No but then again that isn't how a healthy democracy should function now is it.

At this point people are just drawing starts to things complain about,

this thread is about the UK staying or leaving the EU we have a vote on the 23rd june

[Blobfish]

Europe Needs Britain and not the other way around.

Britain’s performance has more in common with the economic recovery in the US than the Eurozone.
It does not really look like it needs the EU. The EU needs Britain.

Britain is sitting pretty at the moment regardless of the political camp you hail from.
Unemployment is just 5.1%, which is pretty much as close to “full employment” as it can get.
The EU’s data agency Eurostat has this lower at 4.9%. Inflation is low, real wages are solid, and more people are able to get on the housing ladder. Britain is also one of the key financial centres in the world.

Now compare it to the unemployment rate to other countries in the Eurozone

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/eu...od-idea-2016-6

[Repefe]

I just read an article picturing brexit supporters that think they will interact with EU the same way Switzerland or Norway do; all the while ignoring the compromises that these countries have to make to be able to do it.

And the kicker is, EU won't even give UK the same deals. On one hand EU now knows that some of the deals they made are pain to fulfill, on other hand if UK leaves, EU will make an example out of it, to keep other countries from demanding more special treatment in light of it.

Britain is also one of the key financial centres in the world.

One of the examples of what will be affected. Once UK is out of EU, the financial entities that operate on EU market, and that is not limited to UK companies, but all companies that used UK as the entry to EU financial system, will have to move to one of the EU countries. Switzerland banks, for example, right now to interact with EU operate from London. Once UK is gone, they will have to move.

[caervek]

Britain is also one of the key financial centres in the world.

It's the number 1 financial centre i the world, if we leave the EU it will be lucky to stay in the top 5.

[Slant]

Europe Needs Britain and not the other way around.

Britain’s performance has more in common with the economic recovery in the US than the Eurozone.
It does not really look like it needs the EU. The EU needs Britain.

Britain is sitting pretty at the moment regardless of the political camp you hail from.
Unemployment is just 5.1%, which is pretty much as close to “full employment” as it can get.
The EU’s data agency Eurostat has this lower at 4.9%. Inflation is low, real wages are solid, and more people are able to get on the housing ladder. Britain is also one of the key financial centres in the world.

Now compare it to the unemployment rate to other countries in the Eurozone

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/eu...od-idea-2016-6

Um, yeah. Wonder how that'll fly when the 66% rebate is gone.

[Noradin]

mate, thats the whole point in leaving.
im tired of being told what to do by unelected bureaucrats, in that god forsaken place called the EU.

That is not currently the case, but it will be if you leave.
Then you will be told what to do by bureaucrats you had no hand in electing.
Right now you do have a hand in it you just pretend not to.

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there's more to trade than the eu. there's a whole world out there that would like to trade with us & do you honestly think that europe would throw their toys out of the pram & not trade with us. were not switzerland.

Indeed, you are not Switzerland who has a respected tradition of staying neutral as reasony why they do not wish to join, you on the other hand would have a history of breaking off from the EU. What makes you think that will garner your any additional goodwill over what Switzerland gets?

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sorry to burst your bubble i agree we should stay i but camerons to much of a pussy to get anything done at the EU table and even the stuff he got was only cos the EU let him but i think leaving will offer more border protection, like how australia does, there policy basically is if you cant work or bring anything useful fuck off

So you are just going to ignore that the UK already has this policy with peope from the EU?

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yes we are we did not elect anyone in brussels yet they tell us what to do so yes they are un-elected bureaucrats

You let your own government choose to throw your votes in the bin. That is entirely on your own "democratic" government.
Everyone in the EU got to vote, you just choose to appoint representatives that declared your wish to boycott this, which still counts as having had a vote.

The only complain you could possibly make is that you did get too much freedom and not enough oversight from the EU to make sure your government holds up democratic principles.

[Slant]

In other news, the EU court just decided that it's okay for Britain to not pay child support to EU citizens. Better get out, you are so exploited by the EU!

[Noradin]

Britain is also one of the key financial centres in the world.

Artificially pushed there by laws the UK lobbied for the EU to pass. Laws prohibit offering certain financial services from outside the EU.
Guess what will happen when London is suddenly outside the EU just like those other places they took these services from with help of those laws as to become first?

[caervek]

In other news, the EU court just decided that it's okay for Britain to not pay child support to EU citizens. Better get out, you are so exploited by the EU!

No it didn't, that's just a media tagline, they decided that it was lawful for the UK to withhold family benefits to EU migrants who were not working if they did not have the right to reside in the UK.

All EU citizens have the right to reside in the UK as long as they are either working or looking for work. Which basically means the only EU citizens that this ruling affects are those who are dead, and they shouldn't be getting child benefits anyway.

[Shadowmelded]

If you've got an hour and a half to kill.

[Noradin]

If you've got an hour and a half to kill.

Given the authors they name in the subtitle that looks like it would be a waste of time.
Is there actually anthing worthwhile in that video?

[Shadowmelded]

Given the authors they name in the subtitle that looks like it would be a waste of time.
Is there arctually anthing worthwhile in that video?

Nothing really substantive but it's funny to watch Salmond knock Boris around. He did manage to get him to admit he hadn't read the report he's been misquoting throughout the campaign. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...forced-8193003

[Noradin]

Well, I'll look at it when I find time.

[Deleted]

there are pro's and cons for leaving and staying

[Deleted]

there are pro's and cons for leaving and staying

And the pro's to staying far outweigh the pro's to leaving.

Fact.

The only reason people are voting to leave is so they can spit in the eye of the EU, when in reality they are shooting themselves in the foot.

[ati87]

If you've got an hour and a half to kill.

Is this the debate which he quotes a research to prove his point (pro brexit) but is actually is a study that draws a conclusion disproves his point?

this thread is about the UK staying or leaving the EU we have a vote on the 23rd june

Doesn't answer my question, why keep lying about how different parts oft the EU work. You don't vote at every aspect of the daily workings of the EU but neiter do you do that with your own government? You vote for your bloody own government and you vote for the EU parliament.

Again I don't understand the complaint or the argument here. Is the EU as a whole controlled by a select group of rich people that make decisions in smoke filled rooms?

[Deleted]

And the pro's to staying far outweigh the pro's to leaving.

Fact.

Utter garbage.

Its up to each individual to judge what they see as important, and what isnt. Just because u see the remain arguments as more important does not equate to what everyone else thinks.

[Shadowmelded]

Is this the debate which he quotes a research to prove his point (pro brexit) but is actually is a study that draws a conclusion disproves his point?

Think so yeah.

[Deleted]

Doesn't answer my question, why keep lying about how different parts oft the EU work. You don't vote at every aspect of the daily workings of the EU but neiter do you do that with your own government? You vote for your bloody own government and you vote for the EU parliament.

Again I don't understand the complaint or the argument here. Is the EU as a whole controlled by a select group of rich people that make decisions in smoke filled rooms?

People keep complaining that the EU does nothing for the UK and then vote in MEPs from UKIP, who do nothing but protest everything the EU does, and slow the whole machine down.

Its mind boggling how retarded some people are.

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Utter garbage.

Its up to each individual to judge what they see as important, and what isnt. Just because u see the remain arguments as more important does not equate to what everyone else thinks.

And that is precisely why this referendum is a farce, because your average joe on the street votes with his heart instead of his head.

If you look at the arguments for both leave and remain, remain is the only logically choice. When you let emotions control your votes, you are a fool and shouldn't have a vote.