American Law Institute rejects "affirmative consent."

[Hiricine]

We need to change sex into turn based encounters like role playing games.
Do you say Yes?
Yes. Your turn.

Well if we did that then you couldn't say no during the other player's turn!

[Shinzai]

We need to change sex into turn based encounters like role playing games.
Do you say Yes?
Yes. Your turn.

I roll for confirmation. *throws dice* *7*
"She says yes, and opens herself to you."
I roll for penetration. *throws dice* *10*
"Like a hot knife into butter. She loves it."
I roll for continuation. *throws dice* *1*
"She says no. You are convicted of rape the following day."

[Mehrunes]

On one hand, good news, if a bit predictable. On the other hand, it still makes me a bit sad that ALI wasted time to even consider this nonsense.

[Theodarzna]

On one hand, good news, if a bit predictable. On the other hand, it still makes me a bit sad that ALI wasted time to even consider this nonsense.

In the future nobody can deny that it hasn't had its chance and been inspected. This provides necessary counter arguments against it.

[Hemak]

Finally a victory for the 5th amendment.

[Lorelei]

A rape is a rape when the other resists, verbally or other way.

This definition is too narrow, because it doesn't include cases where someone is unable to resist or give consent.

[Mistame]

Good for them!

[Xeones]

This definition is too narrow, because it doesn't include cases where someone is unable to resist or give consent.

Then there should be a way to make a rule that doesn't involve "You technically didn't voice consent so if you regret consensual sex later you can make it rape".

[Lorelei]

Then there should be a way to make a rule that doesn't involve "You technically didn't voice consent so if you regret consensual sex later you can make it rape".

I'm not sure what you mean. It's one thing to reject "affirmative consent," which is unworkable for a variety of reasons, and another thing entirely to redefine things that currently are considered rape and start pretending they are consensual. That's what the other poster's definition did (unintentionally, I assume). If you can't have a rape unless the victim "resists, verbally or other way," then none of the following existing crimes are rape anymore:

- sex with an unconscious person (even if the reason they are unconscious isn't their fault)
- sex with a child, if that child is persuaded not to resist
- sex with someone at gun/knife point, if they are told not to say a word or resist, and comply out of fear

You get the point. The law already doesn't require "resistance" as an element of rape, precisely because rapists found ways to keep their victims from saying no or fighting back.

[Xeones]

I'm not sure what you mean. It's one thing to reject "affirmative consent," which is unworkable for a variety of reasons, and another thing entirely to redefine things that currently are considered rape and start pretending they are consensual. That's what the other poster's definition did (unintentionally, I assume). If you can't have a rape unless the victim "resists, verbally or other way," then none of the following existing crimes are rape anymore:

- sex with an unconscious person (even if the reason they are unconscious isn't their fault)
- sex with a child, if that child is persuaded not to resist
- sex with someone at gun/knife point, if they are told not to say a word or resist, and comply out of fear

You get the point. The law already doesn't require "resistance" as an element of rape, precisely because rapists found ways to keep their victims from saying no or fighting back.

I was stating my opinion of what this "affirmative consent" served to do.

[May90]

Pretty expected that it was rejected. As Mr. Taylor said, the concept of "affirmative consent" ignores the realities of our world and just wouldn't work in practice.

It should just work as it's always worked: if two persons are found to have both been willing to have sex, then everything is fine, and if one of them apparently wasn't willing to, then it is rape. "Verbal consent", "written consent", "body language consent" - completely irrelevant things. It is not very hard for a person to express that they want sex, or that they don't want it. It makes it a bit hard for the courts to decide what actually took place though - but, well, those folks aren't paid godly wages for nothing: get to work, you lazies!

[THE Bigzoman]

Did we need another rape thread?

[May90]

Did we need another rape thread?

Can never have too much rape!

Oops... *runs away*

[THE Bigzoman]

Can never have too much rape!

Oops... *runs away*

Don't run.

You just justfied this thread's existence. LOL.

[Underverse]

We don't even need affirmative consent in an ideal world. Revocation of consent with the ability to revoke consent is all we need.

[Super Kami Dende]

Well at least the ALI actually has intelligent people who live in the real world amongst it.

Affirmative consent is the most retarded thing I've ever heard. At no point in the many relationships/one night stands I've been in has me or my partner ever rolled over and needed to say "May I touch you there."

Most intimate things generally are silently engaged, one partner initiates, the other partner usually reciprocates or denies the engagement.

This shit sounds like it was made by Men/Women who have never/can't get laid who don't actually understand how intimacy works. Fucking asking someone if you can touch/feel each part everytime you do it would kill any passion or intimacy nearly instantly.

for people that constantly talk about "MUH RAPE CULTURE" they sure enjoy making any kind of sexual activity seem like Rape.

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We need to change sex into turn based encounters like role playing games.
Do you say Yes?
Yes. Your turn.

Penis to B6

YOU SANK MY RAPELESHIP!

[s_bushido]

You know this is just going to play into their "rape culture" narrative. "Look, see how they refuse to change the laws to protect women from sexual assault and rape? See! Institutional misogyny!"

[Deleted]

You know this is just going to play into their "rape culture" narrative. "Look, see how they refuse to change the laws to protect women from sexual assault and rape? See! Institutional misogyny!"

Bingo

Like any good conspiracy theory, feminism will adapt to any new circumstance to still maintain the narrative of oppression

[Cthulhu 2020]

This is a good thing, and of course a perfect opportunity for the zealous anti-fems to come in here and commit the same Hyperbole and Godwinning that they revile feminists for committing.

[Stormlance]

Least there are some small mercies in the world still.