What's up with people not responding to constructive criticism or advice?

[hulkgor]

Why on earth would you even hand out 'constructive criticism' or advice to someone random on the internet? Don't be an idiot.

Also, the game is in a shitty state right now. There's no MMR, there's no ELO, matchmaking is a farse, games are always unbalanced... and you get try hard players mixed with casual joes who just want to shoot some rockets with Pharah, and don't really care about your whines and complaints about not being part of the 'best comp'.

Holy hell, people today...

[Sylreick]

I just mute anyone that talks in chat. It's a much more enjoyable game when no one talks.

[Deleted]

Ah, you're the perfect example as to the type of person I'm talking about. I gave clear examples of the situations I'm talking about,broke it down for you to a basic level for you to understand, yet you ignore and truck on without a care. Happy gaming to you sir/ma'am, I'm glad your type can no longer ruin my games.

Yeah, it's interesting that you'd get all combative when someone tells you that your advice isn't, perhaps, wanted. You're missing a lot of things here you know.

First of all, perhaps those people you're playing with don't care how it makes you feel if you lose. I mean, they're playing for themselves, not for you, so maybe they're fine with doing it their own way.

Secondly, I'm afraid you're completely oblivious to the fact that the examples you gave, of "giving advice", aren't that at all. You're nothing to the other players in the game, except some random dude. They don't expect you to know anything. You've got no credentials that tell them that you know what you're talking about. All they see are words. Also, when you say "please do X" with the expectation that someone does X, that's not a request. It's a command. And people see it as a command. And they possibly see some tryhard blowhard wannabe general, wanting to tell them what to do, and they most likely think you don't know shit. I'm not saying you don't know what you're talking about, but I can see from your approach that people who you "try to help" will definitely ignore you, because the problem isn't in what you know, but how you're trying to push that information on others.

Thirdly, I'm not sure how you think "my kind" can't "ruin" your games. Did you quit playing Overwatch? Perhaps that's for the best, then. In any case, chill out with the "advice" nobody wants, and let people play the way they want to play. That'll lead to a lot less stressful games if you do decide to continue playing.

[8bithamster]

*is only healer* "Hey, we need a tank"
one of the three widows in the group: "You switch"
*switches to tank* "Hey, we need a healer."

Your point? A healer is not 100% needed against every setup. Nice try though!

[Deleted]

Your point? A healer is not 100% needed against every setup. Nice try though!

Nope, but three widows, no healer and one tank and two offensives is about as useful as pile of crap against the basic comps with one tank, support and four offensives or two tanks and three offensives.

Best thing to do is just to tell them how horribly useless they are and their actions will shame their unborn children to brink of depression. That usually works, that with my evil gloating laughter. Gets teams straight every time or onto 2-3 man disadvantage. But as long as -I- am having fun.

[Jessicka]

*is only healer* "Hey, we need a tank"
one of the three widows in the group: "You switch"
*switches to tank* "Hey, we need a healer."

All the fucking time.

[Violetti]

I'm avoiding playing solo until ranked comes.

[Drakpower]

All the fucking time.

Your point? A healer is not 100% needed against every setup. Nice try though!

Nice try? I don't see the trick that @Nijigen was trying to pull?

[Zyster]

To be honest it doesn't sound like OP knows how to play. Switching heroes can obviously be a great advantage if the opposing team has your current hero on lock down, but time and time again I have proven every character to be "bad" on certain maps to actually be good. I actually get the typical gfy, or die comments and them leaving the game right at the end as we won. I do on the other hand think every team needs at least 1 healer. And tired of the people saying we need a healer that won't go heals. Luckily I've been working on healing achieves for past couple days now.

[Xar226]

My willingness to do so means if I'm already playing tank or healer, and I've got nobody else filling that role, I WILL point it out.

I play these roles a lot: My stats show 30% of my games as Lucio with another 6% as the other supports, and another 18% as various tanks. So basically more often than not I am a tank or healer. Still, I don't even mention it. The game makes it pretty clear and it has been out long enough to know that those role are important now, so I just assume it means people are unwilling to fill the role. I'm not happy about that but it's not worth the trouble to me.

On topic, there are a lot of reasons people won't respond to your request to play something else. Maybe they're not good at it. Maybe they've been playing things they don't want to a bunch of rounds in a row and just want to enjoy themselves. Maybe you're more annoying than you think, or maybe you got lumped with others who are. (No matter how nicely you ask, if you spam it every 45 seconds like one twat in a game I was in a while back, you're being a douche.) Maybe the conscientious people are playing the important roles/heroes for that game already. Maybe they flat disagree with what you're suggesting. And of course, maybe they just don't care enough.

Yeah, people don't seem to have a good grasp of how that stuff works. Resetting overtime is a good example.

I don't know if it makes it better or worse to you, but sometimes people simply lose track of it in the heat of a firefight.

[8bithamster]

Nope, but three widows, no healer and one tank and two offensives is about as useful as pile of crap against the basic comps with one tank, support and four offensives or two tanks and three offensives.

Best thing to do is just to tell them how horribly useless they are and their actions will shame their unborn children to brink of depression. That usually works, that with my evil gloating laughter. Gets teams straight every time or onto 2-3 man disadvantage. But as long as -I- am having fun.

My point is. Don't bitch about others not wanting to switch if you refuse to switch yourself. Which is OP in a nutshell.

[Kelimbror]

A couple of things
1) helpful criticism is often mislabeled. In reality it's probably just criticism...which no one enjoys.
2) Sometimes people don't switch because they suck at a hero or haven't played it yet. Maybe they've gone on a suck streak with a hero. You don't want them to switch, you just think you do.
3) We often think we know a lot, but we don't. Ex: complaining when people pick Hanzo on rush maps or escort, without realizing that all those straight hallways are easy pickings for dragon charges and he is a defensive push character. Similarly getting mad at someone being Hanzo instead of Widow, thinking that just b/c they are 'sniper' means they have the same purpose.

I tend to just keep my mouth shut unless it's calling out objectives on the actual map. I don't even have time to watch and judge other people playing b/c I'm too busy playing myself. When a mistake was so obvious that I can notice, the person who did it already noticed, apologized, and moved on. I don't also need to chime in.

[crakerjack]

I blame the elimination system. Even if you only get 15 points for a kill, the game will still shout "elimination" so it convinces people they're doing better than they really are.

[Jester Joe]

Someone suggested we go all out Torbjorns. While I have decent experience with WM, S76, D.Va, Pharah, Reinhardt, Winston, Mercy, Tracer and Bastion; I haven't a fucking clue where to even begin with Torbjorn. I was hopeless and switched to Bastion.

On a slightly brighter not, I had the same situation, except I didn't want to play Torb so I picked Symmetra.
My team proceeded to call me "Turret Mother".

Your point? A healer is not 100% needed against every setup. Nice try though!

Unless the other team has no healer either, there's basically no reason to not have a healer. At least even a Zenyatta if you want the extra damage so badly.

I blame the elimination system. Even if you only get 15 points for a kill, the game will still shout "elimination" so it convinces people they're doing better than they really are.

Not sure where you see it "Shouting", but it's still far better than having a game that only gives credit to the last person to get a shot in.

[IxilaFA]

Also, just for fun; note how matchmaking rating tends to work.

If you keep queueing with people who seem clueless, maybe you're just not as good as you think? Lord knows I see people complain here about stuff they see "all the time", and I next to never see it. Which isn't me claiming to be awesome; I'm pretty average. But it's pretty rare for me to run into a team that seems totally clueless. Outmatched? Sure. Clueless? Nah.

Eh I don't know how much faith I have in this matchmaking system so far. I know it takes a while to get to a balanced level though so I'm being patient. But I know I'm not a great player but I at least know the value of a good comp, playing the objective, and which heroes counter who and I almost always get a gold medal or two per match. Yet I occasionally get stuck in groups that can't even seem to get out of their spawn rooms. Granted for the most part my games are pretty even but there are more times where I'm clearly matched with people who are not even close to my skill level than I am comfortable with.

As for the healer argument I feel you and finally got so sick of playing Lucio every single match that now I just play what I want. I'll still play Lucio about once every three or four games, especially on Nepal or Lianjiang Tower, but I am starting to see that sometimes it's better to have a hero who can contribute at disrupting the enemy rather than a healer. I've had several groups be successful after I switched from heals because I just wasn't able to stay alive long enough or contribute to anything with the entire team focusing me down. Once I switched to something more durable that could dish out damage it gave my team some stability.

Clearly this would never work at a pro level, but my suggestion is if you keep getting pushed into a healer role and you're struggling in a match, maybe switch to a roadhog or Winston so that you can push the enemy around.

I am grateful that I'm not stuck in the MMR levels of some players here though. Very rarely do I see more than one person picking a sniper, and the last few days I've actually had people auto pick tanks as their first selection. Hoping that once the MMR evens out a bit more I won't keep getting thrown into groups of players who can't even keep up.

[oplawlz]

No matter how noble your intentions are, offering unsolicited advice to someone is unlikely to generate a positive result for either party.

Ding ding ding. Stop trying to teach other people and play the game. Use communication channels with the assumption that other players are actually better than you are, rather than "most people dont know how to play this game."

The fact that you think having a healer is more important than rolling a counter proves rather concisely that you're not as knowledgeable as you think you are.

[Deleted]

Sometimes people just don't listen, sometimes they don't feel obligated to listen to someone else about how they play their game. By and large a lot of it comes from not wanting to lose face, the opinion of strangers we don't have to trust tends to be dismissed based on how highly we value our own view on a matter.

Mix that with action game adrenaline highs, and you have a winner.

[Manthis]

People respond to advises much better if it's not directed directly towards anyone. Kinda like "Hey folks, this isn't working, might have to change it up a bit." And then you go and switch hero yourself (to something appropriate, of course).

Works 3 out of 5 times mostly. Which is pretty good.

[Deleted]

People respond to advises much better if it's not directed directly towards anyone. Kinda like "Hey folks, this isn't working, might have to change it up a bit." And then you go and switch hero yourself (to something appropriate, of course).

Works 3 out of 5 times mostly. Which is pretty good.

Totally, it is a way to circumvent bruised egos.

If there's a problem with the setup, then offer nebulous solutions to the team. 'We need hitscan to fight pharah' 'we need area denial' 'Our setup is fragile' 'We need some more frontline'.

This offers to others the chance to rise to the occasion, which is a much more positive exchange, thus more likely to work.

[8bithamster]

Ding ding ding. Stop trying to teach other people and play the game. Use communication channels with the assumption that other players are actually better than you are, rather than "most people dont know how to play this game."

The fact that you think having a healer is more important than rolling a counter proves rather concisely that you're not as knowledgeable as you think you are.

Thank you! the first smart post here.

My tip: If all your games are horrible, there is mostly 1 common factor. I'll let you figure that out.