[Guardian] Legion Discussion

[Promdates]

1k is low, with 140% bonus I've around 5k worth of AP up on the world quest map right now, so even with the bonus calculated back out thats significantly more then the 1k. And thats not counting the potential reward from the bounty bag.

The 1k was average of the item from the bag, not from doing actual world quests. With there being a varying amount of quests per day, can't really come up with an average value.

Either way, it will still take you 3ish months to get 34 point artifacts, not 3 weeks.

[Nevcairiel]

With there being a varying amount of quests per day, can't really come up with an average value.

The whole concept of average is to take a varying amount and ... average it!
So does it not account for the world quest gains apart from the bag at all? That seems like a big group of gains to exclude, even if it varies.

[Promdates]

Correct, again he's working to correct the sheet and add other things to it.

[Bearygood]

Is there an actual reason of Using Maul In legion? I'm not really that experienced as i'm switching over to bear but isn't it better to save the rage for Iron fur or Mark of Ursol rather than wasting it on Maul?

[Nevcairiel]

Is there an actual reason of Using Maul In legion? I'm not really that experienced as i'm switching over to bear but isn't it better to save the rage for Iron fur or Mark of Ursol rather than wasting it on Maul?

Indeed there is very little incentive to use it, only for some minor bonus dps, so one would only use it when not actively tanking and rage caping. But then, maybe when not actively tanking one should spec feral affinity and get the cat on.

So yeah, Mauls position seems largely irrelevant.

[Ooshraxa]

Is there an actual reason of Using Maul In legion? I'm not really that experienced as i'm switching over to bear but isn't it better to save the rage for Iron fur or Mark of Ursol rather than wasting it on Maul?

Offtanking, that's about it. Which is also why going the Mauler route to get Embrace of the Nightmare is T-T
Three points put into something with a tiny, tiny effect on overall gameplay

I'm seriously debating the "long route" via Jagged Claws, since those points will atleast matter.
22 vs. 16 points though. Quite a difference.

[Nevcairiel]

Offtanking, that's about it. Which is also why going the Mauler route to get Embrace of the Nightmare is T-T.
Three points put into something with a tiny effect

I've been thinking about going the other way around, even if it costs a few extra points before I get embrace (16 vs 22). But the better traits might make up for that. Roar of the crowd also seems rather underwhelming. Overall it would be the better path as those wasted 3/4 points there can be gotten last then.

Hard choices.

[Ooshraxa]

Heh, I obviously agree (see above post edit ).

However,

Roar of the crowd also seems rather underwhelming

Roar of the Crowd + Balance Affinity + Guttural Roars = 85% HUGE AE runspeed buff every minute.
If you use it in a raid, you will certainly hit five people every time.

[Nevcairiel]

However,

Roar of the Crowd + Balance Affinity + Guttural Roars = 85% HUGE AE runspeed buff every minute.
If you use it in a raid, you will certainly hit five people every time.

The bonus from the trait is only for you however, if it would be for everyone .. sure. Only for me? Somewhat meh.

[Kaeth]

Look at it this way. When you buff your raid's run speed, you get a larger buff so that you can smash your furry face into the next group of raid trash sooner.

[Deleted]

when was survival instincts cooldown reduced to one minute? did i miss something?
also 40sec cd with talent survival of the fittest

[Ravingmad]

when was survival instincts cooldown reduced to one minute? did i miss something?
also 40sec cd with talent survival of the fittest

Its a 3min CD, 2 charges. With the talent SotF, its down to 2min, 2 charges. So "in a way" its a 1min CD.

[Deleted]

Its a 3min CD, 2 charges. With the talent SotF, its down to 2min, 2 charges. So "in a way" its a 1min CD.

well, "ravingmad" no.
on ptr it says: Survival instincts, 1min recharge max 2 charges

good thing i am not the only one who somehow missed that

buuut after some more testing:
using both charge and then waiting 1 min for a recharge.
pressing it again simply does not do anything although it says you have 1 charge.

does anybody else have that bug or is it only me?

[Bunnychaser]

well, "ravingmad" no.
on ptr it says: Survival instincts, 1min recharge max 2 charges

good thing i am not the only one who somehow missed that

buuut after some more testing:
using both charge and then waiting 1 min for a recharge.
pressing it again simply does not do anything although it says you have 1 charge.

does anybody else have that bug or is it only me?

This change happened last week, and was not mentioned in any patch notes. The current assumption is it's just a mistype by someone.

[Nevcairiel]

This change happened last week, and was not mentioned in any patch notes. The current assumption is it's just a mistype by someone.

They don't provide any patch notes for beta class changes/tuning.

[Dreyen]

Hi quick question do Guardian Druids have "berserker"-ish abilities that enhance tanking while low HP?

Nope. The only tanks that has enhancements for low hp tanking I believe is prot paladin and monk. Prot paladin heals their missing hp so being low hp heals them for more... monks with a talent spawn more healing orbs, so not exactly a berserking thing.

Closest to berserking you have in wow are fury warriors, when enraged they take more damage but they self-heal a lot and have higher hp than normal.

[CenariusTheForestLord]

They changed the maxcamerafactor CVar to 1.9
gg. Uninstalling. brb.
I've been tanking with the maxfactor cvar set to 4 since WOTLK. Haven't ever tanked without it. Nope. Just Nope.

[Promdates]

The max distance used to be 50, now it's 28.5. It's pretty rough, especially as a Tauren.

[CenariusTheForestLord]

The max distance used to be 50, now it's 28.5. It's pretty rough, especially as a Tauren.

I'm a bear. It's pretty harsh.

A guy on the forum post posted this:
The camera angle isnt the same. But it's definitely a lot less view.

http://imgur.com/a/pKP50

[CenariusTheForestLord]

All Legion Tanks have abilities which improve as health decreases, according to that Monk clarification developer post. I also detected them for all classes, except for Druid which seems strange.

Hm that seems weird indeed. I'm trying to remember them all. Can you refresh my memory?

Paladin: Increased armor below 35% HP and more healing from LOTP.
Warrior: ?
Death Knight: ?
Monk: More frequent spawning of healing orbs.
Druid: ?
Demon Hunter: More lesser soul fragments below 35% HP.