"You can't inspect people and see their Artifact unlock progress."

[Cynep]

But you can! And there's pretty much nothing Blizz can to block players from seeing amount of nodes unlocked in your nearby target's currently equipped artifact.

1. Take GearScore as baseline. Or Exorsus Raid Tools which can inspect raid members.
2. Get base HP for target's class and level from the table.
3. Inspect target's gear, calculate stamina -> HP from gear.
4. Divide target's actual HP by (base_HP + gear_HP), you get 0.75%*X where X is amount of artifact nodes unlocked. (or subtract, w/e, you get the idea)
5. ???
6. Profit!

I'm not familiar enough with Lua and Blizzard API to code this, but for an experienced addon author should be easy. I ask you to do this ASAP, it's very useful for all forms of non-random group play.

[Paula Deen]

But you can! And there's pretty much nothing Blizz can to block players from seeing amount of nodes unlocked in your nearby target's currently equipped artifact.

1. Take GearScore as baseline. Or Exorsus Raid Tools which can inspect raid members.
2. Get base HP for target's class and level from the table.
3. Inspect target's gear, calculate stamina -> HP from gear.
4. Divide target's actual HP by (base_HP + gear_HP), you get 0.75%*X where X is amount of artifact nodes unlocked.
5. ???
6. Profit!

I'm not familiar enough with Lua and Blizzard API to code this, but for an experienced addon author should be easy. I ask you to do this ASAP, it's very useful for all forms of non-random group play.

There are easier ways to do this, but yeah, you are right. An addon will come along allowing people to do it.

[pmkaboo]

from the interview it sounded like we will be able to check artifact progress, just not through inspect, my guess is armory will show it.

[ComputerNerd]

I'm not familiar enough with Lua and Blizzard API to code this, but for an experienced addon author should be easy. I ask you to do this ASAP, it's very useful for all forms of non-random group play.

If you believe that is actaully a good thing, then you are very much mistaken.
It is just another player-dictated measure.
Why do you think blizzard don't enforce it ?
Because it isn't necessary.

With ideas like this, is it really surprising that the traditional raiding community is thought of as toxic.

If you want to gauge people, stop looking for shortcuts.

[De Lupe]

I'm not familiar enough with Lua and Blizzard API to code this, but for an experienced addon author should be easy. I ask you to do this ASAP, it's very useful for all forms of non-random group play.

There's an easier way:

ASK THEM!

[Bryntrollian]

There's an easier way:

ASK THEM!

Humans are hardly ever trustworthy

[TEHPALLYTANK]

There's an easier way:

ASK THEM!

People lie.

[De Lupe]

Humans are hardly ever trustworthy

People lie.

I'm practically a watered down version of House. I know perfectly well that everybody lies.


Ask them. THEN, if they can't perform to the expectation they've set up for themselves, you look them up on their armory or whatever.

Much more positive outlook for everyone without wasting the resources making yet ANOTHER judgmental add-on.

[apelsinjuice]

Obviously there must be some way of checking, like on armory or something. Inviting someone for a raid/dungeon whatever who have zero to very little progress vs someone with almost maxed will be a huge difference even if their Ilvl is the same.

[PosPosPos]

I'm practically a watered down version of House. I know perfectly well that everybody lies.


Ask them. THEN, if they can't perform to the expectation they've set up for themselves, you look them up on their armory or whatever.

Much more positive outlook for everyone without wasting the resources making yet ANOTHER judgmental add-on.

Or just skip all of that crap and just armory them.

[Deleted]

But you can! And there's pretty much nothing Blizz can to block players from seeing amount of nodes unlocked in your nearby target's currently equipped artifact.

1. Take GearScore as baseline. Or Exorsus Raid Tools which can inspect raid members.
2. Get base HP for target's class and level from the table.
3. Inspect target's gear, calculate stamina -> HP from gear.
4. Divide target's actual HP by (base_HP + gear_HP), you get 0.75%*X where X is amount of artifact nodes unlocked. (or subtract, w/e, you get the idea)
5. ???
6. Profit!

I'm not familiar enough with Lua and Blizzard API to code this, but for an experienced addon author should be easy. I ask you to do this ASAP, it's very useful for all forms of non-random group play.

You know that GearScore is a joke, right? Or has the world devolved to a point where GearScore has risen from being a joke for years and years into a kind of legitimacy in some poor, stupid players eyes?

[Deathbydot]

If you believe that is actaully a good thing, then you are very much mistaken.
It is just another player-dictated measure.
Why do you think blizzard don't enforce it ?
Because it isn't necessary.

With ideas like this, is it really surprising that the traditional raiding community is thought of as toxic.

If you want to gauge people, stop looking for shortcuts.

Just another way for lazy ass, undergeared, raid leaders to find the best people to carry them to undeserved loot.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

You know that GearScore is a joke, right? Or has the world devolved to a point where GearScore has risen from being a joke for years and years into a kind of legitimacy in some poor, stupid players eyes?

Well the problem is you really cannot tell in a timely or productive manner how good someone is while forming a pug skill wise. Kills, titles, mounts, and gear can all be bought these days with gold, rl money, or by simply having the right friends / guild. But gear does make the biggest difference that is quick and easy to see. An average player with 740 item level is just going to do a whole lot better than an above average player with 685. Sure maybe the born from the force chosen ones could do better but I don't see those types pugging HFC about a month and a half away from expansions end all that often unless they stream or something and it's how they bait people into paying for their WoW dream life.

So yeah the whole item level / gear score thing is honestly a terrible bar to judge the worth of a player by. But with how insanely the player power grew in WoD through the tiers, trinkets, and set bonuses it really does earn some merit these days unfortunately. Specifically if you are trying to quickly and effortlessly form a group. Of course it's far from perfect but it's reasonable to see why people use it.

Oh and this post is in no way in anyway a means of showing support of gear score behavior. Just a casual observation to why it has become so very centric in a lot of pugs behavior these days.

[Ealyssa]

Ask them. THEN, if they can't perform to the expectation they've set up for themselves, you look them up on their armory or whatever.

Much more positive outlook for everyone without wasting the resources making yet ANOTHER judgmental add-on.

Yeah sure. Trust the 3 dps you'll take in /2
Kick 2
Trust the 2 next
kick 1
trust the remplacent
Kick him
Trust the other

Loose 2 hours

Or just armory them. Because even when at the level asked, they more than likely will underperfom (just like the shity 725ilvl people you can have now that barely can kill archimonde in heroic with sub 60k dps)

[Jotaux]

It kind of sucks because when I was doing some raid testing I wanted to see what path our guild's elemental shaman took and I couldn't see by inspecting him.

[Deleted]

from the interview it sounded like we will be able to check artifact progress, just not through inspect, my guess is armory will show it.

I haven't watched it yet. But I'll take your word for it for now, if he did sound that we will see it, armory will probably have it.

But, what I don't get is why would they lock it in-game and allow it in armory (???????).

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I can only think of bandwidth saving/latency reduction for now.

[Deleted]

I'm practically a watered down version of House. I know perfectly well that everybody lies.


Ask them. THEN, if they can't perform to the expectation they've set up for themselves, you look them up on their armory or whatever.

Much more positive outlook for everyone without wasting the resources making yet ANOTHER judgmental add-on.

That potentially wastes a lot of peoples time, much rather ask them and then check anyway to see if they are lying or not.

[AwkwardSquirtle]

Just another way for lazy ass, undergeared, raid leaders to find the best people to carry them to undeserved loot.

OK one post account, I'll bite.

This is better, since it's more effort for the "lazy" raid leaders. Getting an inspection addon or having to actually armoury them rather than just being able to ask for 745 ilvl for Hellfire Assault HC is more effort, so average "carry me plz" puggers are less likely to do it.

[Deleted]

You could also just choose to look at their progress for the Power Realized achievement, since it tracks how many out of the base 34 traits you have:

[Cynep]

You could also just choose to look at their progress for the Power Realized achievement, since it tracks how many out of the base 34 traits you have:

Great! Thanks. Next wish is to see which traits they chose to unlock... But that won't be possible without Blizzard implementing "inspect artifact" feature.