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    Quote Originally Posted by Ji-tae View Post
    I doubt that there is a single person on earth who is nearly as well informed on anything as well as you are on everything.
    Mh mh. Look you can praise me on PM. Let's get back to topic alright?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaktard View Post
    What? The german government especially the Linke and the SPD are supporting the Antifa.
    That is quite a claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    Mh mh. Look you can praise me on PM. Let's get back to topic alright?
    I can agree on that.

    Berlin is pretty colorful. The good and the very bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheggaro View Post
    You are a depraved individual.
    Irony from someone who has Ronnie Ray-gun as an avatar. Oh the lulz...

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    That is quite a claim.
    It is and its been discovered that they're paying Antifa protestors to .. well.. go protest.
    And its not just that. Apparently the Antifa is coordinating with the police to have a "free hand" in whatever bs theyre doing.

    http://www.taz.de/!5020381/

    BERLIN taz | 25 Euro Stundenlohn für die Teilnahme an einem antifaschistischen Protest: Was sich anhört wie eine wilde, rechte Verschwörungstheorie, ist anscheinend bitterer Ernst. Dies geht aus einem internen Organisationsschreiben eines Vereins namens „Antifa e.V.“ hervor. Darin wird über die Organisation von nicht weniger als 48 Bussen informiert, die zu den Protesten gegen Pegida und Legida am 9. Februar 2015 fahren – samt Vergütung für alle Mitfahrer. Auch Freibier wird versprochen und Vermummungsmaterial („Hassis“) zum Kauf oder Verleih angeboten.

    Das öffentlich gewordene Dokument, entdeckt auf einem mutmaßlich verloren gegangenen USB-Stick, könnte eine Frage beantworten, die sich die meisten Medien normalerweise nicht stellen. Wenn wieder einmal ein Pegida-Aufmarsch blockiert, eine AfD-Veranstaltung gestört oder massenhaft Autonome aufmarschiert sind, wird darüber – oft mit unterschwelliger Sympathie – berichtet, aber nicht hinterfragt, wieso die Antifa eigentlich so gut organisiert ist.

    Die Antwort ist überraschend: Hinter den scheinbar so losen Organisationszusammenhängen der Antifaschisten versteckt sich demnach eine gut vernetzte Struktur. „Um eine zügige Auszahlung des Demonstrationsentgeltes zu gewährleisten, ist es unbedingt notwendig, beim Ein- und Aussteigen den Mitgliedsausweis an den dafür vorgesehenen Scanner im Bus zu halten“, heißt es in dem Schreiben, das vom „Vorstand“ der Antifa unterzeichnet ist.

    Dies ist offensichtlich kein Einzelfall. Schon Ende Januar hat die österreichische FPÖ darauf aufmerksam gemacht, dass die Antifa mit Bussen zu den Protesten gegen den Akademikerball anreisen und auch hier die Teilnehmer dafür bezahlt werden. Einen entsprechenden Twitter-Eintrag von „Antifa e.V.“, der besagt, dass sogar mehr als 48 Busse geplant seien, teilten sowohl der FPÖ-Kreisverband Wien Innere Stadt als auch der Parteivorsitzende Heinz-Christian Strache. Eine Lohnabrechnung eines so genannten Antifaschisten über 498,05 Euro, inklusive Auslands- und Nachtzuschlag, wurde im Nachhinein ebenfalls öffentlich.
    Staatliche Finanzierung

    Doch woher kommt das Geld, das die Antifa-Struktur mit vollen Händen verteilt, um andere in ihrer freien Meinungsäußerung zu unterdrücken? Der von deutschen Medien als Propagandasender diffamierte russische TV-Kanal RT hat die Hintergründe recherchiert.

    In einem Organigramm werden die Verbindungen zwischen Verein, Antifa GmbH und Antifa Gewerkschaft auf der einen, sowie Bundesregierung, Parteien und Verbände auf der anderen Seite aufgezeigt. Demnach profitiere die Antifa von direkten finanziellen Zuwendungen durch die Regierung, aber auch dem Parteienkartell aus SPD, CDU und Grünen.

    Die Sytemmedien ignorierten diese Erkenntnisse, womöglich weil sie selbst involviert sind, doch eine Verbreitung über die sozialen Netzwerke konnten sie nicht aufhalten. Auf interne Nachfrage dementierte taz-Chefredakteuer Andreas Rüttenauer jede Verbindung mit „Antifa e.V.“: „Unsere Mitgliedschaft bei Black Block e.V. verbietet eine Doppelmitgliedschaft“, sagte er.

    Die Opfer dieser Verschwörung beginnen sich zu wehren. Eine Petition an Bundesjustizminister Heiko Maas, in der das Verbot der „AntiFa“ gefordert wird, hat bereits über 3.600 Unterstützer. Explizit wird dort auch gefordert, dass die „AntiFa keine staatlichen und parteilichen Gelder mehr erhalten darf“.

    Viel Hoffnung brauchen sich die Aktivisten dabei aber nicht zu machen. Aus internen Mails, die der taz vorliegen, lässt sich eine Kooperation zwischen dem Antifa-Vorstand und der Polizei belegen. Regelmäßig komme es vor Demonstrationen zu Absprachen über eine Arbeitsteilung, um Aufmärsche nationaler Kräfte zu verhindern.

    In Absprache mit der Antifa, deren Aktivisten es zu kalt war, soll die Polizei sogar die Demonstrationen von Pegida im Januar und von Legida im Februar abgesagt haben. Sobald es wieder wärmer wird, greift man auf die altbekannte Methode zurück: „Wir informieren die Polizei darüber, von wo aus wir unsere Gegner angreifen wollen, dann lässt sie uns freie Hand“, sagt einer, der es wissen muss.

    Feel free to run all of this trough google translate.
    Its all there... (and this is just one source).
    Last edited by Shaktard; 2016-07-10 at 07:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaktard View Post
    It is and its been discovered that they're paying Antifa protestors to .. well.. go protest.
    And its not just that. Apparently the Antifa is coordinating with the police to have a "free hand" in whatever bs theyre doing.

    http://www.taz.de/!5020381/

    Feel free to run all of this trough google translate.
    Its all there... (and this is just one source).
    That uses Russia Today as a source.

    Do you have something else that does not use a source less reliable than the Daily Mail?

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    From experience? If the police would've shot 1 protestor it would've calmed things down.
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    "This will be a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival cannot be expected. We will do what damage we can."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    That uses Russia Today as a source.

    Do you have something else that does not use a source less reliable than the Daily Mail?
    TAZ is the source...

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    What a clickbait article.
    Only one of the police officers required treatment at a hospital.
    120 injured. Yet only 1 required a trip to the hospital. So what is a injury in this case? A paper cut, sunburn or blisters?

    I suggest if you want a proper view of the situation you go read about from a better source, then American media. Since they are more interested in getting clicks then passing along information.

    Article in German: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/i...-14334422.html

    Here is FAZ with google translate.
    https://translate.google.com/transla...tml&edit-text=
    Last edited by mmocaa0d295f44; 2016-07-10 at 07:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaktard View Post
    TAZ is the source...
    What I read they said their source was Russia Today, so can you provide a source that does not use Russia Today please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    From experience? If the police would've shot 1 protestor it would've calmed things down.
    ahahahah wise word of advice there bro.

  11. #51
    Hasn't Germany had a pretty interesting history with aggressive anarchist movements aswell, isn't this "Antifa" simply an offshoot/next generation of the same mentality?
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    Posting here is primarily a way to strengthen your own viewpoint against common counter-arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    That uses Russia Today as a source.

    Do you have something else that does not use a source less reliable than the Daily Mail?
    Yes, any source that doesn't agree with ones preconceived notions and political bias is "unreliable", especially if it is not one of the Western corporate-owned media outlets, since we all know how totally neutral they are.

  13. #53
    So we have people insisting that these people "aren't your average Leftist" - fair enough.

    Now return the favour and stop branding those who want border controls/controlled immigration/etc as 'Far-Right Facists' and things to that effect. There are times when one might be forgiven for thinking that anything to the right of Stalin/etc is 'Far Right' to such people.

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    Jup, sadly to expect. Left and Right radicals have started to become a lot more unhinged over the last few years/months. I have no doubt in my mind this wont be the last big confrontation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caolela View Post
    Yes, any source that doesn't agree with ones preconceived notions and political bias is "unreliable", especially if it is not one of the Western corporate-owned media outlets, since we all know how totally neutral they are.
    Russia Today is not a reliable source though, so any point you think you were making is rendered irrelevant.

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    And the funnest part, the left-fascist scum fight - you'd never have guessed it - giving the apartments they have 'occupied' to Syrian refuguees. The same clowns who yell 'refuguees welcome' at every fucking opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    Russia Today is not a reliable source though, so any point you think you were making is rendered irrelevant.
    That's your opinion. If you can show that RT is not at least as reliable and credible as the corporate-controlled Western media, then do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caolela View Post
    That's your opinion. If you can show that RT is not at least as reliable and credible as the corporate-controlled Western media, then do so.
    Ofcom has proven on a number of occasions that Russia Today are unreliable, so it is not just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    Ofcom has proven on a number of occasions that Russia Today are unreliable, so it is not just my opinion.
    The same can be said for any of the Western mainstream media over the decades, long before RT existed, including any of the TV and newspapers outlets. They have ALL gotten things wrong or put a particular spin on things, or lied by omission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caolela View Post
    The same can be said for any of the Western mainstream media over the decades, long before RT existed, including any of the TV and newspapers outlets. They have ALL gotten things wrong or put a particular spin on things, or lied by omission.
    Russia Today has been cited numerous times. They are not a reliable source, you wanting them to be will not make them so, some other Western sources not being reliable either does not give credibility to Russia Today.

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