Originally Posted by
Snegovik
I think you misunderstood me a bit =), yes i do love the current state of Retri because it has tools to be decent and fun, i also love Wrath pally even though it was different (it did not have kick, did not have perma slow, did not have so many range abilities) but it had the tools to be good aka: magic dispel without a CD, freedom would get you out of stuns, reduced CC duration from talents, a proper E4E, % of you dmg would by pass all absorbs and so on, Ret was very very different back in Wrath, yes it had a high dmg, but it also had the proper tool kit to be good. Then Cata came, and Blizzard wtf changed Ret 180 degrees making it a low sustain high healing support spec, but even then (end of cata) it had tools to be good at pvp, aka if ur partner's hp below 35% your instant FOL would crit for 80%+ making it a full HP heal, also our burst was GOOD, hence we had tools to be good. Even in MOP our healing got turned down, but out sustain was increased once again we had tools to do well. An ability to do well is part of being a "fun" class when you have all the toys to be on par with other big boys.
In legion atm, only thing we have is some what high dmg, and thats it, we lost mobility, we lost utility, we lost range; sad part other melee have higher dmg yet they also have better mobility, utility, survival as well.
Even in Vanila, Ret was crap but it had its own niche, in Legion Ret does not bring anything useful to the table that other melee can do BETTER, and no GBOM are total crap lol.
I want to see my main class to have a useful niche, for DHs its super agile-mobile-high damage-high burst dps spec, for DKs its High sustain ST/AOE dmg, high burst, good peels, decent survival, good anti-CC abilities, I can roll with it, with rogues its stealth-high cc-high burst-good survival spec i can also roll with it, with Rets its Okish dmg-thats all? See what i mean, to me playing a class that was designed to fail is not fun =). I can adapt to different versions of Ret, no problem, but Blizzard has to make a "new" Ret version to be viable by providing the necessary toolkit. In order to fit this "low mobility melee" niche Blizzard is trying to force our throats, Ret must have something more than just dmg, i mean no1 will enjoy drive a car with only 2 tiers and half engine installed, u know?