What does Gul'dan need the nightwell for?

[purebalance]

Do you have a link to those soundfiles? Also, does Gul'dan state WHY he needs Illidan's body or the Nightwell to do this?

It's somewhere on youtube and someone had a thread on it here at some point. Khadgar is the one explaining it all.

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They don't need the Nightwell to open a portal on Azeroth since the Gate is already opened at the Tomb of Sargeras!!!

Gul'dan needs a portion of the Nightwell as he said it in the Comic.

I believe that AU Gul'dan was sent on Azeroth for many subjects:
- assault the Vault of the Wardens with Cordana Felsong and get Illidan's body AND the artifact that the captured Demon Hunters stole (Sargeras Keystone) - checked
- use the Sargeras Keystone, the artifact that can open a gate to Argus, in a powerful location where the Twisting Nether and the Great Dark Beyond merge (Tomb Of Sargeras) - checked
- use the gate to Argus to summon the demon army and put pressure on Suramar and access to the Nightwell - checked
- use the Eye of Aman'thul, the Nightwell and Illidan's body to summon Sargeras into it - failed
What Legion should have done if Gul'dan succeeded :
- find the reason why Avatar of Sargeras is nowhere to be found and thwart it
- Legion find out that it was N'Zoth who was using his tricks so they decide to assault the Titan complex and kill the Old God
- Illidan/Sargeras kills N'Zoth and gets his avatar back
- Gul'dan transfers Sargeras' soul to his Avatar.
- Avatar of Sargeras gets every Pillars of Creation and use it to destroy Azeroth
Job Done

What is gonna happen since Gul'dan failed :
- Legion find out that N'Zoth is behind Avatar's hidding and assault the Old God's prison
- N'Zoth communicates with us and is asking for help. Azeroth (through Mani Bronzebeard) confirms the threat if the Old God falls.
- 2nd raid tier : N'Zoth's prison, we stop the Legion's assault there and find out that N'Zoth disappeared.
- 3rd content tier : We must find where the Avatar is buried, Karazhan is assaulted by demons, we investigate there and discover that Aegwynn left some informations. Karazhan is now a mega-dungeon (another entrance leading us to an inverted Karazhan)
- 3rd raid tier : we found how to access to the place where the Avatar is. We reach it too late, Legion sent the Avatar to Argus. Then we learn that Velen is on his way to that place, Kadghar teleports us to the Exodar blahblah already told that in other posts the past 2 months. We don't wait for them to come back with Avatar of Sargeras, this strike is our only window of opportunity.

Most of that is head canon. Please stop. Nzoth is one of the weakest old gods and wasn't even the mastermind behind the head canon people had prior to chronicle. Sargeras doesn't want his avatar from Azeroth because it was made PURPOSEFULLY weak so that Aegwynn could kill it and allow him to infect her. People really need to stop ranting about the original avatar as it is not a threat.

[steelballfc]

it's likely Illidan still has the skull on his person

the skull was sucked out by illidan in the novel, before the fight in Black temple.

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Do you have a link to those soundfiles? Also, does Gul'dan state WHY he needs Illidan's body or the Nightwell to do this?

Gul'dan remove Illidan soul from Illidan body, then the Naaru ask us "heros" to collect Illidan soul and find a Replacement body for him.

[Shadow Fox]

Kil'jaeden is the last of the 3 "Generals" that we are to kill. Kil'jaeden is pretty much the CIA / KGB / SIS of the Legion; Largely led by the Nathrezim for most things.

Archimonde and Mannoroth being mostly in control of the "Invasion" forces. Gul'dan under the command structure of Archimonde, but with Legion, I think he got a "Promotion" by taking Illidan, converting Cordana, and freeing Xavius.

Xavius seems to have been let loose not to serve the Legion: But to create as much destruction and havok as possible, since it declares himself to the Old Gods, who are apart of the Void. Not directly the same evil force as the Burning Legion.


As for why Gul'dan wants the Suramar Nightell, it is because it is the largest well with Pure energy that he can tap into with the nearby Tomb of Sargeras; Allowing him to summon even more Legion Forces, as well as Sargeras.

This Nightwell is happened to be linked to Azeroths Ley Lines, as well.

[Ulfric Trumpcloak]

Same reason Sargeras needed the Well of Eternity in the War of the Ancients, same reason Kil'jaeden needed the Sunwell. Probably to summon Sargeras because at this point it seems we will meet Kil'jaeden in argus. The Exodar is going back to Argus, and the demon hunters will also go to Argus to finish Illidan's mission, future expansion or big patch i guess.

[WolfRider]

HAHA!!! Priceless.

Tell me something then, where the hell did all the shit tons of demons come from that were pouring into the Vault of the Wardens BEFORE Gul'dan got his hands on the Sargerei Keystone???

Yep, and how came the Demons attacking Suramar BEFORE Elisande let Gul'dan access to the Nightwell mmmhh?
Gul'dan can open portals to summon lesser demons without a great source of energy, but he needed Sargeras Keystone for Demons such as the Dreadlords and others you meet at the Broken shores scenario. And he needs the Nightwell to summon the bigger Fel soul : Sargeras.

[In Ogres We Trust]

He used the Nightwell to widen the rift at the Tomb of Sargeras (the Temple of Elune was originally built on top of a rift in time and space). When you do the Broken Shore event, the dialogue shows that the leaders of the Alliance and the Horde are amazed at the ability and speed of the Burning Legion porting in replacements.

[Huntaer]

so sargeras is a pedo?

pedo, demon, what's the difference

[FertsBlert]

Just watch the Legion announcement. They flat out said that we're done with Gul'dan in the encounter.

We're done with Gul'dan...... we aren't done with the Avatar of Sargeras who is inhabiting the body that used to be Gul'dan

Just some speculation.

[In Ogres We Trust]

We're done with Gul'dan...... we aren't done with the Avatar of Sargeras who is inhabiting the body that used to be Gul'dan

Just some speculation.

Illidan's body was to serve that purpose, so I doubt that he'll be in Gul'dan (unless it's a temporary measure that occurs during the fight).

[RedGamer030]

Gul'dan can open portals to summon lesser demons without a great source of energy,

"Lesser demons" aka thousands of Doomguards and who knows what else? Makes sense... /s

Also, when has Gul'dan EVER summoned a demon? The only time he came remotely close to that was when he opened a large portal at the base of the Dark Portal and Archimonde walked through. In truth, Archimonde was the one who powered the portal to actually open it in the first place since Gul'dan had no font of power nearby (poor writing once again Blizzard). Hell, Gul'dan is about to enter Heroes of the Storm and none of his abilities summons a demon or demons, not even "lesser" ones as you claim.

[Beloren]

"Lesser demons" aka thousands of Doomguards and who knows what else? Makes sense... /s

Also, when has Gul'dan EVER summoned a demon? The only time he came remotely close to that was when he opened a large portal at the base of the Dark Portal and Archimonde walked through. In truth, Archimonde was the one who powered the portal to actually open it in the first place since Gul'dan had no font of power nearby (poor writing once again Blizzard). Hell, Gul'dan is about to enter Heroes of the Storm and none of his abilities summons a demon or demons, not even "lesser" ones as you claim.

They could write it such that Azeroth has stronger resistances - either naturally due to the titan works and due to the Elves after the first attack.

There are ways they can plug many of these lore gaps, they just need to ferret them out. If you wrote that Azeroth herself makes it much harder to breach into the planet, then that could explain it, you could add that the titans visit and all those safe measures in place makes it really hard to breach Azeroth which is why it took the enormous use of power the night elves were channelling to breach and more to pull in Sargeras himself. Then afterwards you see Nordrassil and the new well of eternity used to mask the power signature and it could have further strengthened Azeroth's defenses, the high elves and their runestones as well adding to that effect.

You could write that as the reason.

[Sentynel]

We're done with Gul'dan...... we aren't done with the Avatar of Sargeras who is inhabiting the body that used to be Gul'dan

Just some speculation.

Good luck telling the "X inhabited Y's body" excuse in a video-game. Players will only see that Gul'dan is still alive. No way Blizz will pull this.

[WolfRider]

"Lesser demons" aka thousands of Doomguards and who knows what else? Makes sense... /s

Also, when has Gul'dan EVER summoned a demon? The only time he came remotely close to that was when he opened a large portal at the base of the Dark Portal and Archimonde walked through. In truth, Archimonde was the one who powered the portal to actually open it in the first place since Gul'dan had no font of power nearby (poor writing once again Blizzard). Hell, Gul'dan is about to enter Heroes of the Storm and none of his abilities summons a demon or demons, not even "lesser" ones as you claim.

Ok, so did you read the Nightwell comic?
Where did the huge (let say infinite) amount of Felguards come from?
Portals such as the Dark Portal needs to be powered by souls or a great power source. Prime Gul'dan sacrificed Draeneis while Medivh used his Guardian powers.
AU Gul'dan used his own powers while Archimonde was using his.
And the GATE (its not a PORTAL) opened at Tomb of Sargeras is created by Sargeras Keystone, it's a special artifact that can open a path to Argus WITHOUT somebody on the other side to assist. That was Illidan's idea to attack Argus, what did you think? That Illidan was waiting for an invitation or help on the other side?

[Stormspellz]

Maybe KJ is actually thinking logically for once? We killed Archimonde, so he's decided he's no longer capable of leading things without Sargy and has hatched a scheme to use the Nightwell to bring Sargeras back from where ever his soul is floating around at.

Well the whole mortal army killing archimonde is a big retcon of archimonde's power, but then wod was a horribly thought out arc to bring back Guldan and Illidan so /shrug

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"Lesser demons" aka thousands of Doomguards and who knows what else? Makes sense... /s

Also, when has Gul'dan EVER summoned a demon? The only time he came remotely close to that was when he opened a large portal at the base of the Dark Portal and Archimonde walked through. In truth, Archimonde was the one who powered the portal to actually open it in the first place since Gul'dan had no font of power nearby (poor writing once again Blizzard). Hell, Gul'dan is about to enter Heroes of the Storm and none of his abilities summons a demon or demons, not even "lesser" ones as you claim.

his ultimate but was going to be a summon infernal but game play reasons it was changed to massive fel meteor shower.

[The Stormbringer]

Well the whole mortal army killing archimonde is a big retcon of archimonde's power, but then wod was a horribly thought out arc to bring back Guldan and Illidan so /shrug

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his ultimate but was going to be a summon infernal but game play reasons it was changed to massive fel meteor shower.

We're not your average, every-day mortals at this point. We're ridiculously powerful champions.

[RedGamer030]

Ok, so did you read the Nightwell comic?
Where did the huge (let say infinite) amount of Felguards come from?

Yes I read the comic, and the large amounts of Doomguards (not Felguards) definitely were not summoned by Gul'dan.

his ultimate but was going to be a summon infernal but game play reasons it was changed to massive fel meteor shower.

Proof or are you talking out of your ass?

[ryudaraku]

It is Gul'dan

His Plan is to..pretend to use it for whatever the Legion wants him to use it for. However his real plan is to Absorb all of it's power for himself because he is a backstabbing bastard.

[Stormspellz]

Yes I read the comic, and the large amounts of Doomguards (not Felguards) definitely were not summoned by Gul'dan.



Proof or are you talking out of your ass?

it was talked on their hero discussion of guldan, the game play problems was that summon clutter spam and Nazeebo's garg ult similarity

[Goradan]

It's already known what he's doing if you look at the sound files and no it's not KJ.

Guldan is trying to use the Nightwell to put Sargeras in Illidan's body

WHAT!!! that is insane, having either Illidan or Gul'dan as a host is insane. I mean its not unheard of Sargeras possessing others, Considering Medivh. but to play this trick again, dayum that is a crazy balls move.

Btw how do you hide spoilers here?

[steelballfc]

Btw how do you hide spoilers here?

[spoiler]
and then add ( / ) before *spoiler*