Multiculturalism in Europe

[Kalis]

Simple question: Is the west responsible at all for the situation in the Middle East?

Yes, but how is that relevant to the conversation about civil rights from thousands of years ago?

[NineSpine]

Then how is this relevant to my apartheid argument? That the irish did integrate? Wow, big deal. The Dutch, Germans, French and other Europeans integrated together in apartheid south africa as well. It's because the culture is largely the same, not because they were given a better chance to integrate. The whole multiculti thing is regarding complete different cultures such as the muslim culture.

The Irish and Italians who came to America were initially despised for being Catholic heathens who didn't speak English. The idea that the cultures were similar is totally bogus.

[Acidbaron]

Simple question: Is the west responsible at all for the situation in the Middle East?

He believes we are not, we merely exploited and took use of the situation but we did not have any role regarding what caused it. So yeah he's that kind.

[NineSpine]

Yes, but how is that relevant to the conversation about civil rights from thousands of years ago?

It's a little odd that I pointed out some rights and you quoted the other half of my post and are still acting like I never pointed any out.

[Deleted]

Rapefugees comes to europe.
Rapefugees rapes innocent girls.
Rapefugees screams dindunuffin.

No fucking seriously,it must be same penalty as homeland if they gonna be here.So yes i support fingers and heads being chopped off when they do some fucked up shit here.

Do you actually have the numbers regarding how many refugees are rapists?

[Slant]

Do you actually have the numbers regarding how many refugees are rapists?

All of them, obviously. How else can you justify this kind of racism.

[Kalis]

It's a little odd that I pointed out some rights and you quoted the other half of my post and are still acting like I never pointed any out.

Except those rights were not continuous for thousands of years until the West stamped them out, so they are also not relevant to the conversation. Islam was not around thousands of years ago, it was 7th Century.

[Bumbasta]

The Irish and Italians who came to America were initially despised for being Catholic heathens who didn't speak English. The idea that the cultures were similar is totally bogus.

No it is not. The complete western European history is similar. They have been in contact for thousands of years. Most of them have been ruled by the same mepire somewhere in history. Ofcourse their cultures are similar. It's not merely about religion and language.

[Kalis]

He believes we are not, we merely exploited and took use of the situation but we did not have any role regarding what caused it. So yeah he's that kind.

Can you link the post where I said we had no role in the current situation? My point about exploiting the situation was directly linked to arguing against the point made by Themius, i.e. in regards of the loss of civil rights in the Middle East that predated Western involvement.

[Acidbaron]

The Irish and Italians who came to America were initially despised for being Catholic heathens who didn't speak English. The idea that the cultures were similar is totally bogus.

Not even 50-60 years ago, mixing of italians and belgians here was a no go. Marriages between both were frowned upon. There were plenty of fights also every week-end when the second generation of immigrant tried to carve out their part in society.

It is not abnormal though, people tend to not remember this far back and it hardly is something parents or grand parents want to speak of since it's hardly is subject they are proud about considering how time proved them wrong.

[caervek]

Something I often see is people criticizing multiculturalism in Europe (ironically usually from Americans) but I have to ask why? Why is multiculturalism suddenly bad?

It isn't suddenly bad, it's just it took many years for it to pay out and for it to become apparent that it doesn't work.

The simplest explanation is, in the US they have Italian americans, Irish Americans, etc. Most of them have never left the USA yet they are usually proud of their ancestors heritage and their own US heritage, even new immigrants to the US are usually proud of their American citizenship, that's integration working. Now contrast that to the UK where we have "multiculturalism" immigrants come here, they get effectively told that they don't need to integrate like the pre-multiculturalism immigrants did because Britain will adapt to their culture and be enriched by it. So they make no effort to integrate, they move to an area with people from their own culture, they keep to themselves and the whole thing becomes a mess, you end up with towns within towns, etc.

An excellent example of this is, when I was in school we had two non-white students (I live in the middle of nowhere). One was ethnically African and spoke with a thick London accent (almost Tracer like), his family had been here for a few generations and he was fully integrated, he was just like every other kid. The second was ethnically from the middle east and his family had moved here after the multicultural experiment began, he spoke with the type of accent you expect from an Indian call centre employee not a British born child, he kept to himself and actively avoided all the other kids (we later found out this was because his family had told him he should stay away from the white children and stick to his own).

This is pretty much a prime example of why multiculturalism is bad and why it failed.

[Deleted]

I just don't understand the difference between Chinese and any other asian community then. Why would the view on Chinese be any different than on koreans, japanese, vietnamese, indians, indonesians?

And there are also china towns in all the other asian countries so we evil white demonds with diks are prolly not to blame.

[Bushtuckrman]

Here are some lefties rioting in Berlin because they are being forced to make room for refugees in their nice white neighborhoods. Yes the same lefties who scream racist bigots to people who don't want mass unchecked immigration of people of a completely different culture...

My sides just literally cannot stay together, I am sure the Germans on here can translate if they can be bothered.

[NineSpine]

Except those rights were not continuous for thousands of years until the West stamped them out, so they are also not relevant to the conversation. Islam was not around thousands of years ago, it was 7th Century.

Again, I speak for me, not other posters you want to argue with.

[Acidbaron]

Can you link the post where I said we had no role in the current situation? My point about exploiting the situation was directly linked to arguing against the point made by Themius, i.e. in regards of the loss of civil rights in the Middle East that predated Western involvement.

Take your pick between page 18-19 and 20 where you repeatedly downplayed the west influence in it all and removal of the more secular class. Because something something Islam, something something several hunderd years ago.

And in case you forgot Civil rights weren't a thing here either till late 19th century and only started to really get going around mid 20th, regardless of what region you are now looking at.

[ParanoiD84]

It was a middle eastern country that had civil rights thousands of years ago.

Long before any islam, maby the region was better of when it was the persian and egyptian etc etc empires ruling there.

[Tumble]

If customers want a service or product from a business, why shouldn't they let that business know? You seem exceptionally butthurt about this for no reason, considering that food being halal effects you in no way.

And here we have a perfect example of "why should I change to suit your way of life even though I moved to your country" and when you respond to it with a simple solution of "make your own restaurant if your not happy with this one" you are labeled butthurt, even though a legitimate response is "fuck off back where you came from if you don't like it!"

Equally KFC not being halal doesn't effect them. They aren't forced to eat a chicken sandwich with bacon on it. In fact they aren't forced to eat there at all. How do you think the muslim population would react if I was a Christian and I went into a kebab shop and threw a fit because the meat was halal and Christians aren't allowed to eat food that has been blessed for another god. I'd be lucky to make it out of the store alive if I was in the middle east, but in places like Australia I'd be lughed at and most likely escorted from the property.

[Slant]

Here are some lefties rioting in Berlin because they are being forced to make room for refugees in their nice white neighborhoods. Yes the same lefties who scream racist bigots to people who don't want mass unchecked immigration of people of a completely different culture...

My sides just literally cannot stay together, I am sure the Germans on here can translate if they can be bothered.

Bullshit video, probably stolen from elsewhere, as is typical with propaganda. Having said that, I have a bit of time, I'll do 2 minutes research to find the actual source... Hang on a second.

Edit: Oh, the video is legit. So is basically the post... but... the details are a bit wrong. Those are not just "lefties" those are antifa and anarchists. And they aren't forced to make room, they have no place of being there in the first place. They don't pay rent, they just occupy the building. Squatting entire buildings is tolerated in some areas, but if the owner of the building wants to have them evicted, that's what's going to happen. And that's what they're rioting about. The english mailbox company owning the place just wants to use refugees as a reason to get those antifa evicted. If political times had been different, they'd have used any other tool to justify evicting them.

[NineSpine]

No it is not. The complete western European history is similar. They have been in contact for thousands of years. Most of them have been ruled by the same mepire somewhere in history. Ofcourse their cultures are similar. It's not merely about religion and language.

Sure it is man. If you think Americans in the 1850s found Gaelic speaking Catholics similar culturally, you are profoundly ignorant. The first Catholic president wasn't elected for another century, and at the time he was still decried as being of a foreign religion. Get real.

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And here we have a perfect example of "why should I change to suit your way of life even though I moved to your country" and when you respond to it with a simple solution of "make your own restaurant if your not happy with this one" you are labeled butthurt, even though a legitimate response is "fuck off back where you came from if you don't like it!"

Equally KFC not being halal doesn't effect them. They aren't forced to eat a chicken sandwich with bacon on it. In fact they aren't forced to eat there at all. How do you think the muslim population would react if I was a Christian and I went into a kebab shop and threw a fit because the meat was halal and Christians aren't allowed to eat food that has been blessed for another god. I'd be lucky to make it out of the store alive if I was in the middle east, but in places like Australia I'd be lughed at and most likely escorted from the property.

Christians are welcome to make their concerns known to businesses they frequent as well. Do you throw the same hissy fit over kosher?

[Tiev]

Folks who want to immigrate to a different country should adapt and assimilate the values of the country and strive to eliminate behaviours that directly conflict with those of the host nation. Otherwise, don't immigrate. Simple. It's a matter of a choice: Which do you prefer? Seeing women in bikinis on a beach or having a bomb go off in your living room?