Paul Ryan: Democratic Party Moved 'Far Far Far To The Left'

[Pterodactylus]

It's that relativity thing. Paul Ryan is sitting in the train moving right, looks out the window and says, "Look how far left things are moving!"

[Felya]

Damn how can I reply to that! Checkmate bro!

Hate us, 'cause you anus... Works better when speaking...

[Unkempt]

It's that relativity thing. Paul Ryan is sitting in the train moving right, looks out the window and says, "Look how far left things are moving!"

Didn't Obama say last week that he Republicans were moving too far and they should be more like Paul Ryan?

[Hella clutch]

Ok Ryan, good for you. I take your opinion on anything in regards to the behavior of the other party with a grain of salt given you and your ilk laid the foundation for trump to stroll into the nomination. Jackass.

[Kujako]

Didn't Obama say last week that he Republicans were moving too far and they should be more like Paul Ryan?

Yeah, Ryan is sitting closer to the back of the train, so a lot of the Republicans are further right then he is by comparison.

[Deleted]

(politically and socially) everything moved to the left. If people didn't notice that then they are brain-dead. Even the most right-winged parties in any countries aren't as right-winged as they used to be 50-100 years ago.

Moving to the left is not really a problem. Moving to the left like an idiot without being objectively smart about it, is what causes problems. It has to be a slow process.

I mostly vote middle/left parties, but one might question when people realize that we are too hypocritical about what it actually means to be open-minded and human. Sadly most people think one dimensional and that won't solve problems.

Hillary is the best example. She is not left, because she wants to. She is moving further to the left because the sheepish people love that. A couple of years ago she was against gay marriage and all that left stuff. Now she is for it. Yeah Yeah.

[Unkempt]

Yeah, Ryan is sitting closer to the back of the train, so a lot of the Republicans are further right then he is by comparison.

You can see the Democratic train moving the other way as well though, with the face of the party being more Sanders and Warren. Which if you're on that side of the aisle you see as what you want, but as a centrist it's a move a way, so maybe Ryan is right?

Most of us in the middle see it happening on both ends, it just comes down to your perspective I guess.

[Felya]

I really enjoy how it's considered "The developed world" to want "free' anything.

(Spoilers for liberals watching: It's never "free".)

There is a problem here... Who was more liberal with taxes... Bush when pushing TARP or Obama for signing cutting it in nearly half? How about Bush tax cuts, that turned Clinton's near surplus into a deficit? How about oil and corn subsidies? GOP is very liberal with tax payer money... That bail out and tax cuts passing the deficit to next generation isn't free either. It's why the differance isn't liberal versus conservative, but right wing corporatist and left wing corporatist. The middle that GOP and DNC fight over, is actually a point that's segnificantly on the right side.

[Ahovv]

Minimum wage, free healthcare and free public uni are things that have been established in developed countries "far far far in the past". It's time we caught up.

Does catching up also involve criminalizing whistling at women on the street as a hate crime?

[Felya]

You can see the Democratic train moving the other way as well though, with the face of the party being more Sanders and Warren. Which if you're on that side of the aisle you see as what you want, but as a centrist it's a move a way, so maybe Ryan is right?

Most of us in the middle see it happening on both ends, it just comes down to your perspective I guess.

The face of the party is still Hillary. It is not an independent from Vermont that caucuses with democrats. It is not a senator from Massachusetts either. But, it is the person who is running for president.

[Dr Assbandit]

Hillary by herself would have been center-right. Even with Bernie pulling her towards the left, it still remains to be seen whether she actually follows through on it or is just giving lip-service for votes.

Honestly I'm just going to be very critical and take everything she is promising with hypertensive crisis inducing amounts of salt. Hopefully she'll put her money where her mouth is, and that dame has loads of it.

As for Paul Ryan, he can fuck right on off considering the platform his own party just decided to run/continue with. Don't point fingers elsewhere Mr. Ryan, when you and your ilk are partying like it's 1959.

[Jibjub]

And? Is moving "far far far" to the left bad?

According to the left, just about nothing is bad -- except freedom of speech.

Burn :P

[Felya]

Does catching up also involve criminalizing whistling at women on the street as a hate crime?

Show anyone, from either party, proposing such a thing. I bet I can show you GOP wanting to censor the Internet to protect "children" from porn. A leading GOP candidate that wants to change liable laws to protect politician's history and amending the constitution to include specific language pertaining to homosexuality.

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According to the left, just about nothing is bad -- except freedom of speech.

Burn :P

Only the GOP platform features censorship of the Internet and only GOP candidate that wants to change liable laws to protect politicians from journalists. So, while you bitch and moan about random tumblr or Twitter comments, the GOP litteraly has censorship as part of their platform.

[Jibjub]

Only the GOP platform features censorship of the Internet and only GOP candidate that wants to change liable laws to protect politicians from journalists. So, while you bitch and moan about random tumblr or Twitter comments, the GOP litteraly has censorship as part of their platform.

The left doesn't use policy to change. They use bullying tactics. They create "Safe places" in universities where opposing ideas are killed off. The Social Justice police comb the internet for offenders and when they find one they POUNCE and try to ruin that person. It wouldn't be very smart of them to make that official policy. It's just what they do. You can now lose your job if you have opposing views. Scary times.

[Felya]

The left doesn't use policy to change. They use bullying tactics. They create "Safe places" in universities where opposing ideas are killed off. The Social Justice police comb the internet for offenders and when they find one they POUNCE and try to ruin that person. It wouldn't be very smart of them to make that official policy. It's just what they do. You can now lose your job if you have opposing views. Scary times.

How many people do you think are racist in the country? How many lost their jobs due to these bully tactics? Maybe... Just maybe... The issue is the people being fired and not those who notice what they are saying. At the same time, you are defending censorship that has an actual impact on everyone. So... Go on... Blame ebil liberals for their opinions, while you support GOP litteraly infringing on your rights... You are an example of why cries about SJW are completely pointless...

[JohnBrown1917]

The left doesn't use policy to change. They use bullying tactics. They create "Safe places" in universities where opposing ideas are killed off. The Social Justice police comb the internet for offenders and when they find one they POUNCE and try to ruin that person. It wouldn't be very smart of them to make that official policy. It's just what they do. You can now lose your job if you have opposing views. Scary times.

Why do you guys always confuse the left with the far left?

[Unkempt]

There is a problem here... Who was more liberal with taxes... Bush when pushing TARP or Obama for signing cutting it in nearly half? How about Bush tax cuts, that turned Clinton's near surplus into a deficit? How about oil and corn subsidies? GOP is very liberal with tax payer money... That bail out and tax cuts passing the deficit to next generation isn't free either. It's why the differance isn't liberal versus conservative, but right wing corporatist and left wing corporatist. The middle that GOP and DNC fight over, is actually a point that's segnificantly on the right side.

The Bush tax cuts didn't turn a Clinton surplus into a deficit, that is the common "myth" of it and of tax rates in general. Clinton had a surplus yes, but was it the result of tax rates? No, tax rates were raised in '94 and we didn't start seeing surpluses until the late 90's. So what happened in the late 90's? The dot com bubble. The late 90's were a great time, the internet was going mainstream and there was a ton of economic activity happening due to that. The more economic activity, the more revenue the government gets, so revenues increase. Of course it all dropped in early 2001 with the dot com bubble crashing, and a lot of people forget there was a recession prior to 9/11 as well with the economic turmoil that cause. So, revenues were already dropping prior to the Bush tax cuts, so did they go down further afterwards? No, they went up actually.

People like to make a big deal out of tax rates, but the reality is they don't mean much as far as government revenue goes. It's called Hauser's Law of Economics, and revenues don't really care about tax rates honestly, it's all a function of GDP. Tax rates influence the economic activity that happens, but they don't actually or decrease revenue, because people adapt and change their behavior in the face of benefits or penalties. This keeps revenue relatively stable around 18-19% of GDP (and higher during bubbles, lower in recessions).

The Clinton magic was primarily working with the Republican congress and keeping spending down (around 20% of GDP) and benefiting from the dotcom bubble causing revenues to hit just under 21%.

[Yvaelle]

They all suckle the cocks of corporations, so they can't be that far to the left.

Power is like a human body.

The Left and the Right political parties are really just the legs, and the corporations are what hangs inbetween - all the centrists suckle at the cock. Policy is a fart that occurs when both parties squeeze something out between them. The two legs are unable to walk anywhere unless they work together.

None of them are actually in power, because far above is where the real power probably lies - illuminati, or aliens, or super AI, or whatever.

We can't see that far, because we're the feet, they stomp around - we get the callouses and blisters: and we blame the hips because that's where the problem seems to be, but far above the hip somebody is dancing - and that's why none of the motion makes any damn sense from our perspective.

(You inspired me to flesh out your crude analogy!)

[kaid]

What makes you say that?

The current nominee is donald trump. The current republican has gone a direction even barry goldwater thought was to crazy and avoided doing. In most ways the current dem party is around or slightly to the right of the 1960's era republican party.

[Deleted]

The Democrats in the US are at best centre-left, from what I've heard.

Center-right at best.

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(politically and socially) everything moved to the left. If people didn't notice that then they are brain-dead. Even the most right-winged parties in any countries aren't as right-winged as they used to be 50-100 years ago.

There are communist parties around the world more social conservatives than the Republicans. The political spectrum adapts to the transformations.