German Police Raid 60 Homes For ‘Xenophobic’ Facebook Posts

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#Germany
Section 130 makes it a crime to publicly incite hatred against parts of the population or to call for violent or arbitrary measures against them or to insult, maliciously slur or defame them in a manner violating their (constitutionally protected) human dignity.

What constitutes an insult? Or arbitrary measures? Or slur? Or defame?

Are you trying to sound cheeky? Literally everything you can think of that actually *is*, by definition one of this, falls under each category.
There are also quite a few additional things that need to happen for it to be considered an insult. That small piece you quoted there doesn't do it any justice. Don't fucking use wikipedia for something like this, you aren't at school.

Courts aren't ruled by Merkel, whoever is in control can't change stuff on a whim... what do you think this is? Our legal system is different from the US. Putting my cat into an oven won't allow me to sue the manufacturer, simply because he didn't say I couldn't do that. (I know it's an urban legend)

[Hana Song]

This is an extreme, that is rooted in the happening of a Systemical slaughter of millions of people.

It's an exception. You might disagree with it, on a principle level, but you may also not understand what it means, at all, unless you have been witness to it yourself, been there personally or even read about it

Punishing people for their opinions is always wrong, no matter what

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Are you trying to sound cheeky? Literally everything you can think of that actually *is* by definition one of this falls under each category.

No, I am asking what is considered an insult or all the other things, an insult is not something clearly defined

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Punishing people for their opinions is always wrong, no matter what

There are no absolutes in moral concepts.

Again, i can't take you seriously, even if i would try.

[Theodarzna]

Punishing people for their opinions is always wrong, no matter what

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No, I am asking what is considered an insult or all the other things, an insult is not something clearly defined

BUT BUT.... The committed the super crime of not liking Frau Merkel's policy of unchecked migration..... that's like basically committing a Holocaust!

[Hana Song]

There are no absolutes in moral concepts.

Hurting others for your own enjoyment can be acceptable to you under which circumstances?

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BUT BUT.... The committed the super crime of not liking Frau Merkel's policy of unchecked migration..... that's like basically committing a Holocaust!

Are you proposing that they make an exception to the law?

They are no different before the law.

Hurting others for your own enjoyment can be acceptable to you under which circumstances?

Carries what relevance to the topic?

[Hana Song]

Carries what relevance to the topic?

You said there are no absolutes in moral concepts
Under which circumstances is it morally acceptable to hurt others for your own enjoyment?

[BannedForViews]

You said there are no absolutes in moral concepts
Under which circumstances is it morally acceptable to hurt others for your own enjoyment?

I hate to say you're wrong, but Osama Bin Laden.

[Theodarzna]

Are you proposing that they make an exception to the law?

They are no different before the law.



Carries what relevance to the topic?

Law's cannot be challanged, or criticized, doing so is a sin against Glorious Leader and Champion of Anti-Fa Utopia Germany. MERKEL PROTECTS!

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You said there are no absolutes in moral concepts
Under which circumstances is it morally acceptable to hurt others for your own enjoyment?

That depends on who you ask. I still don't see the relevance of the question to the subject.

Is it that you want to know more about me, or what are you trying to get at?

[Hana Song]

That depends on who you ask. I still don't see the relevance of the question to the subject.

Is it that you want to know more about me, or what are you trying to get at?

Why evade it after you said there are no absolutes?

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is there any way to see what those facebooks posts actually are?

Freedom of speech doesn't necessarily mean you can say what you want. There is a difference

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Law's cannot be challanged, or criticized, doing so is a sin against Glorious Leader and Champion of Anti-Fa Utopia Germany. MERKEL PROTECTS!

You have a right to make a democratic motion to change the law. Your personal feelings about the subject does not exempt you, them, or the people from the law.

That's the whole concept of law. How can you even make a mockery of laws, if you propose self-centered opinionized tidbits as the standard of Societal Rule.

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Why evade it after you said there are no absolutes?

Because i don't see the relevance of the question? As i have stated?

[Hana Song]

Because i don't see the relevance of the question? As i have stated?

Don't make statements if you intend to never stand up for what you say

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Don't make statements if you intend to never stand up for what you say

It is obvious that morals are relative.

You don't need my personal morals to verify that.

Person A thinks that hurtinga specific someone is right, cause they hate that someone. Person B thinks it's wrong, because they are zen buddhists who value all life.

Happy?

[Hana Song]

It is obvious that morals are relative.

You don't need my personal morals to verify that.

You are against censorship?

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No, I am asking what is considered an insult or all the other things, an insult is not something clearly defined

It's difficult for me to translate german legal language into english
Basically, *everything(!)* that is meant to hurt someones honor/dignity.

To translate it as accurately as I can:
"A statement is offensive , if it denies victim the respect as a equal legal entity . The ethical or social value of the injured party has to be represented smaller than it actually is."
And then there are like 1000 examples that define it further. It excludes stuff that is meant as a joke and so on.

We just have different values, what exactly is so difficult to understand.

"America doesn't value it's "right to life" high enough", capital punishment (death penalty) for crimes is still a thing.
"Germany doesn't value it's "freedom of speech" high enough", hate speeches are being punished and human dignity stands above everyhing else.

Are both countries wrong? Do both not "deserve" (as someone put it, holy shit, I didn't know you have to *deserve* it) to live in a democracy?
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

Your freedom ends where someone else's freedom starts. That's true for both countries. Germany believes that to be free, the dignity of men has to be unimpeachable. America does not.

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You are against censorship?

Is that why you want to know my morals? To draw an absolute line, to conclude who is an enemy and who is not?

[Hana Song]

It's difficult for me to translate german legal language into english
Basically, *everything(!)* that is meant to hurt someones honor/dignity.

To translate it as accurately as I can:
"A statement is offensive , if it denies victim the respect as a equal legal entity . The ethical or social value of the injured party has to be represented smaller than it actually is."
And then there are like 1000 examples that define it further. It excludes stuff that is meant as a joke and so on.

That's a very stupid law then

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Is that why you want to know my morals? To draw an absolute line, to conclude who is an enemy and who is not?

No, I am asking if you are against censorship

[Mister Cheese]

is there any way to see what those facebooks posts actually are?

Freedom of speech doesn't necessarily mean you can say what you want. There is a difference

There doesn't seem to be a way. The german article doesn't link to them. I don't have a facebook account or I would have tried to find it myself before starting this thread. Considering how the people in charge of the group were arrested they were probably taken down anyway.