Patricia Smith ,mother of Benghazi victim -Republican National Convention

[Ripster42]

Let me know when the republicans blame themselves for refusing the extra funding requested for embassy protection.

[Felya]

I live in Washington State now. It's liberal but nearly as bad as California. At least yet.

Welcome! You are about to experience east side of the cascades calling for a secession due to being far more right than west of the cascades, as they do every presidential election.

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Let me know when the republicans blame themselves for refusing the extra funding requested for embassy protection.

DNC will bring out shooting victim's families in US, to make the same emotional plea.

[TwoNineMarine]

Which I am pretty sure will go democrat this election. And yes, you certainly have the right to vote for whomever you want. No criticism from me for that. Maybe some opinions on how it does not really matter in some cases however for the end result in that state.

That's true.

I think at some point people will make the shift away from the main parties. People are getting fed up. Plus this whole election cycle is just one big circus anyways.

[BuckSparkles]

Nobody but the Reps give a shit, sorry.

There is only so long this is relevant; after years it just becomes a sob story partisans use.

Liberals not giving a crap about fallen soldiers, what a surprise.

[TwoNineMarine]

Welcome! You are about to experience east side of the cascades calling for a secession due to being far more right than west of the cascades, as they do every presidential election.

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DNC will bring out shooting victim's families in US, to make the same emotional plea.

Oh yeah. It is amusing when that happens.

I tend to lean more right but I don't see the point in secession.

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Liberals not giving a crap about fallen soldiers, what a surprise.

Sad but true.

[BuckSparkles]

Democrats are inconsistent, they keep changing their agenda depending on what's popular - but, at least, they try to stay relevant. While these guys act like they want everyone to hate them: "What, after everything we said about religion, homosexuality, social measures, you still do not hate us? Let us endorse a person with an intelligence of a squid as our candidate. Still no hate? Let us put a grieving mother on stage who will blame Hillary for the death of her son." Either they consciously are committing a party suicide, or they are just really-really bad at politics...

Once again, you assume everybody values the same things....

[Ripster42]

Welcome! You are about to experience east side of the cascades calling for a secession due to being far more right than west of the cascades, as they do every presidential election.

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DNC will bring out shooting victim's families in US, to make the same emotional plea.

Let me know when they stop pushing for gun control then, as that would be the same level of hypocrisy as bringing out a lady to complain about benghazi while not owning up to the fact that the republicans denied the state department's request for more funding for embassy security.

[Ghostpanther]

Let me know when they stop pushing for gun control then, as that would be the same level of hypocrisy as bringing out a lady to complain about benghazi while not owning up to the fact that the republicans denied the state department's request for more funding for embassy security.

I am speculating of course, not knowing what was all in the extra funding requested. But it is not uncommon for a party to try to sneak in other stuff to be funded. Both are guilty of it.

[Felya]

Let me know when they stop pushing for gun control then, as that would be the same level of hypocrisy as bringing out a lady to complain about benghazi while not owning up to the fact that the republicans denied the state department's request for more funding for embassy security.

There is a lot about Benghazi that doesn't make sense in context of her speech, but that's never been the point. Even in this thread you can hear people claim things that were disputed early on, aided by Trump's 'mostly false' commentary. The vast majority of the hearings, had nothing to do with her not doing everything she could to save US lives, but the differance between an "act of terror" and "terrorist act". This is why Susan Rice was at the center of the scandal, instead of any official actually responsible for sending out troops.

[May90]

Liberals not giving a crap about fallen soldiers, what a surprise.

That word, "liberal"... I don't think it means what you think it means.

[Lenonis]

Liberals not giving a crap about fallen soldiers, what a surprise.

You'd think if conservatives were the champions of our fallen soldiers there would have been more done after the 60 deaths at our embassies under Bush.

Or, y'know, the thousands upon thousands of dead and injured soldiers from his wars.

You can clamor on about how liberals hate our military, but they aren't the party that created the most recent crop of veterans -- so it is a narrative that falls rather flat.

[Ripster42]

I am speculating of course, not knowing what was all in the extra funding requested. But it is not uncommon for a party to try to sneak in other stuff to be funded. Both are guilty of it.

And it's rank hypocrisy to then not acknowledge their own role in the lack of security at the embassy while trotting out a victim's spouse and blaming it all on someone else.

I mean, denying extra security for embassies because they'd rather play political games, while blaming the lack of security for embassies because of... on someone else, it reads like they expect you to be an idiot and believe them because they're yelling loudly.

[Felya]

You'd think if conservatives were the champions of our fallen soldiers there would have been more done after the 60 deaths at our embassies under Bush.

Or, y'know, the thousands upon thousands of dead and injured soldiers from his wars.

You can clamor on about how liberals hate our military, but they aren't the party that created the most recent crop of veterans -- so it is a narrative that falls rather flat.

Regardless of that. GOP demonized a mother of a dead soldier for protesting the war and blocked media from showing caskets of dead soldiers being flown in from Middle East. Then there was the actual cover up of Tillman's death... You can also click the link in my signature, so see how much of a shit GOP gives about soldiers returning from war...

[May90]

Frankly I can't stand either party.

I understand trying to stay relevant but when you change your view on damn near everything I can't trust you. I know opinions change over the years but sometimes you need to just stand firm on something and not alter it to appease your following. Plus they are making this country into a huge bunch of pussies trying to be politically correct about everything. Have some fucking balls and tell someone to fuck off. Who cares if you hurt someone's feelings?

The Republicans do have a lot of shit backwards and end up focusing on the wrong shit. The push the religion side too heavily and lean on that to bash gays/lesbians even though most of them are the worst God damned Christians you can imagine. They are against gay marriage but cheat on their wives and get divorced. I do tend to agree with them on some things (pro-life/2nd Amendment) but more and more I find myself creating distance.

Definitely going the Libertarian route I think.

I personally think that the party system is just cancerous. All people should run as independent, and the votes should be for individuals, not for large organizations including millions members, all with different ideas. I like McCain, but I can't stand Trump - and yet, voting either for GOP, or for a GOP presidential candidate, I essentially support both; or, if I don't vote for it, I support neither. I don't like Democratic party, but Hillary seems like a solid candidate to me - and yet, voting for her, I would coincidentally vote for Democratic party, even if I don't want to.

Luckily, I do not have a citizenship yet, so I don't have to endure the moral dilemma of voting for people I do not support!

[Ripster42]

There is a lot about Benghazi that doesn't make sense in context of her speech, but that's never been the point. Even in this thread you can hear people claim things that were disputed early on, aided by Trump's 'mostly false' commentary. The vast majority of the hearings, had nothing to do with her not doing everything she could to save US lives, but the differance between an "act of terror" and "terrorist act". This is why Susan Rice was at the center of the scandal, instead of any official actually responsible for sending out troops.

Ya, the whole thing is political theater, I get it. Which is why the RNC deserves nothing but scorn for doing this.

[BuckSparkles]

That word, "liberal"... I don't think it means what you think it means.

True. Regressive Left.

Liberal might even be a compliment for what they are now.

[Azadina]

True. Regressive Left.

Liberal might even be a compliment for what they are now.

Better than radical right.

[Lenonis]

Regardless of that. GOP demonized a mother of a dead soldier for protesting the war and blocked media from showing caskets of dead soldiers being flown in from Middle East. Then there was the actual cover up of Tillman's death... You can also click the link in my signature, so see how much of a shit GOP gives about soldiers returning from war...

Oh yeah, I forgot about the whole Pat Tillman thing.

Frankly both parties should be ashamed at the plight of vets in the US. It's truly awful.

The GOP has this whole continuity of thought problem. They love the military but once the military has done its job they stop caring about the tools. Proper VA care? Too expensive.

Same thing with their pro-life stance. They want all people to be born but then refuse to fund programs to care of a population of children that disproportionately requires government assistance.

And frankly you could even make a case that a pro-life pro-military stance are in conflict with each other. If every life is precious why would you engage in armed conflict that puts lives at risk?

[Narwal]

That's really fucking classy of the RNC to bring a grieving mother on stage and blame Hillary Clinton for the death of her son. Just terrible.

Have you looked at who's giving speeches at the DNC convention?

Trayvon Martin's mother
Eric Garner's Mother
Michael Brown's Mother

Classy, Democrats, Classy

[Felya]

And it's rank hypocrisy to then not acknowledge their own role in the lack of security at the embassy while trotting out a victim's spouse and blaming it all on someone else.

I mean, denying extra security for embassies because they'd rather play political games, while blaming the lack of security for embassies because of... on someone else, it reads like they expect you to be an idiot and believe them because they're yelling loudly.

If this was about lack of security, Susan Rice wouldn't have been embroiled in the case. Here is politifact on her speech:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-clinton-and-/

If this was about security, the whole point wouldn't be her private meetings with families of the dead.