Why the prejudice against white men who are with an asian woman?

[Deleted]

Such sweeping generalizations and anecdotal rubbish. Not to mention absurdly sexist.

And yet entirely correct

And thanks Raybourne for putting some data confirming my observations:



Note 2 interesting factors:

a) Black men date/marry outside their race more than black women <-- the dating market is by far the hardest for black women

b) Asian women date/marry outside of their race more than Asian men <--- the dating market is easier for Asian women, harder for Asian men

This is exactly what I see: there is a ranking in the dating/sexual market: Asian girls at the top, black girls at the bottom - it's definitely a bit racist and a bit weird, but this is just reality

[Kraenen]

No and most are chinese

So I guess they just don't have the option to marry out

[Deleted]

Nothing wrong with a white male having foreign female. In fact exoctic wife is treated as a trophy. Something you can boast about to your male friends. White females however having non-white partner bring shame to their families,communities and countries. This should be forbidden by law.

lul.

[Deleted]

Marriage is a business deal, especially in the legal and pragmatic sense.

What's wrong with prostitution any way? Prostitution is, surprise, also a business deal.

But marriage isn't about being pragmatic. In a modern, developed society, marriage is neither forced nor bought. It's a union between two partners. When this union is entirely for money and worldly goods, it's often deemed lesser, because the union isn't between two lovers, two people who've bonded. It's likened to selling yourself, to whore yourself out, to be a prostitute and not respect yourself nor your partner. That's why it's frowned upon, because it's purely for your worldly gain, for your pleasure.

Ontop of this, there's the fact that many of the men who go marry Thai women are often unattractive men who've failed to get a woman in their home country. So they go to Thailand, where their in our eyes normal wealth, is suddenly quite a lot of wealth. In many cases it also leads to quick marriage and the Thai woman wanting the man to mvoe to Thailand so that she can get all that money without having to move. And after that, some men find that in Thailand, the rules and laws are different and the woman divorces them and all the mans wealth and property in Thailand is given to the woman.

If this can't make you see how this is frowned upon and even mocked, then I don't know what will.

[Hana Song]

So I guess they just don't have the option to marry out

They don't want to either in most cases, it's not viewed positively to date a foreigner, you could get a conflict with your family for it

[shadowmouse]

Asian and eg. Russian women are way more submissive than Finnish women.

May the gods have mercy on you if you ever date some of them with that mindset. The temper of Shanghai women is legendary (and not in the good sense) and they hardly have a corner on the market. Your "relative" is based on a misunderstanding of what you're trying to compare.

They let the man dominate, aka be in charge of, the relationship and want to please their man.

As Hana Song has started to point out for you, there are a couple of problems here.

Your assertion that all Asia is the same is wildly inaccurate. If that is how you weigh things, you probably think all wine is good as long as it is purple. For example, Thailand and South Korea are similar to the extent that neither of them are European. Finland and Spain are similar too, to the extent that neither of them are Asian.

Aside from that, you're falling for an illusion. To the degree that an Asian woman may act in the way you describe (and as Hana Song pointed out this is falling out of fashion) it often involves some variation on face and possibly something along the lines of China's sajiao:

One way to describe sajiao is when Chinese women act like a cute but spoiled child in an attempt to appear gentle and soft. The pouty faces and innocent eyes are enough to melt the heart of any Chinese man, making them ready to do anything for such an innocent and helpless looking beauty. Which by the way brings me to another aspect of sajiao...the feminine performance of appearing weak to get what you want.

Source: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/beijing...t_12389280.htm

Do not be fooled by the act, because that is what it is.

[Puupi]

But marriage isn't about being pragmatic. In a modern, developed society, marriage is neither forced nor bought. It's a union between two partners. When this union is entirely for money and worldly goods, it's often deemed lesser, because the union isn't between two lovers, two people who've bonded. It's likened to selling yourself, to whore yourself out, to be a prostitute and not respect yourself nor your partner. That's why it's frowned upon, because it's purely for your worldly gain, for your pleasure.

So I ask you again, what's wrong with prostitution? Also, marriage is very often about being pragmatic.

Ontop of this, there's the fact that many of the men who go marry Thai women are often unattractive men who've failed to get a woman in their home country. So they go to Thailand, where their in our eyes normal wealth, is suddenly quite a lot of wealth. In many cases it also leads to quick marriage and the Thai woman wanting the man to mvoe to Thailand so that she can get all that money without having to move. And after that, some men find that in Thailand, the rules and laws are different and the woman divorces them and all the mans wealth and property in Thailand is given to the woman.

If this can't make you see how this is frowned upon and even mocked, then I don't know what will.

Not all cases are like that, and even if they were - so what. It's their choice. As long as nobody has been forced to do so, it's fine.

[Kithelle]

Outside of childish silly posts on forums? Nope. Never actually heard anyone mention this sort of thing.

Me too sorta, I always thought it was nothing more than silly clickbait on porn sites that the really stupid and or lonely would click on and get there machine infected.

I mean I've heard of *mail order brides* but I didn't know it was really serious and done often enough to be more than a joke in a comedy...

[Deleted]

And yet entirely correct

And thanks Raybourne for putting some data confirming my observations:

[IMG]http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2015/06/FT_15.06.12.Inte

Note 2 interesting factors:

a) Black men date/marry outside their race more than black women <-- the dating market is by far the hardest for black women

b) Asian women date/marry outside of their race more than Asian men <--- the dating market is easier for Asian women, harder for Asian men

This is exactly what I see: there is a ranking in the dating/sexual market: Asian girls at the top, black girls at the bottom - it's definitely a bit racist and a bit weird, but this is just reality

I'm very unwilling to say that this is somehow related to one another. Though I will agree partly, that the reasons for these statistics being what they are, may have their root in social, economical, cultural and even racial prefereces and developments. But no single factor alone.

Me personally, I pick a partner based on their cultural background, because with culture comes values, norms and mentalities. Aesthetically, any ethnicity can be attractive. And if she's got the right personality, that does a lot. Those are my reasons.

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So I ask you again, what's wrong with prostitution? Also, marriage is very often about being pragmatic.


Not all cases are like that, and even if they were - so what. It's their choice. As long as nobody has been forced to do so, it's fine.

We could endlessly discuss the semantics of morals and values and never agree.

[Deleted]

Just a note: different kinds of Asian girls are very different

Shanghai girls are some of the most entitled, dominating girls on Earth - and Russian girls are kind of weird in that they believe in pleasing their man, but they expect to be treated like princesses in return, so GL with that

[Puupi]

We could endlessly discuss the semantics of morals and values and never agree.

No we couldn't, because we aren't discussing it. I just asked you a question (twice actually) and I'd like you to answer - I don't plan to discuss​ it, I just want to know your stance.

Why the hell should we even agree on it? Do you think the goal of discussing something with someone is to end up agreeing with each other?

[Deleted]

May the gods have mercy on you if you ever date some of them with that mindset. The temper of Shanghai women is legendary (and not in the good sense) and they hardly have a corner on the market. Your "relative" is based on a misunderstanding of what you're trying to compare.



As Hana Song has started to point out for you, there are a couple of problems here.

Your assertion that all Asia is the same is wildly inaccurate. If that is how you weigh things, you probably think all wine is good as long as it is purple. For example, Thailand and South Korea are similar to the extent that neither of them are European. Finland and Spain are similar too, to the extent that neither of them are Asian.

Aside from that, you're falling for an illusion. To the degree that an Asian woman may act in the way you describe (and as Hana Song pointed out this is falling out of fashion) it often involves some variation on face and possibly something along the lines of China's sajiao:



Source: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/beijing...t_12389280.htm

Do not be fooled by the act, because that is what it is.

Yeah the idea that Asian women are somehow submissive or that Russian women are, is based in myth. Perpetuated by people who never experience any of the things they talk about.

[Santti]

It isn't unique to your situation. A significant portion of the population think that interracial relationships are wrong. If you run into those people, they are called bigots, and you just have to move on in life and deal with better people.

Is that seriously still a thing? I'm so disappointed...

[Puupi]

Yeah the idea that Asian women are somehow submissive or that Russian women are, is based in myth. Perpetuated by people who never experience any of the things they talk about.

Bullshit, its a major reason why men fancy Russian and Asian women. Not a myth, a reality. And a clear reality here where it's actually quite common.

[Deleted]

No we couldn't, because we aren't discussing it. I just asked you a question (twice actually) and I'd like you to answer - I don't plan to discuss​ it, I just want to know your stance.

Why the hell should we even agree on it? Do you think the goal of discussing something with someone is to end up agreeing with each other?

Because the reason for prostitution being considered bad is a matter of morality and values. It's not factual or logical. It's entirely about morality and values.

Though in most cases, prostitution goes hand in hand with violence against women. There are very few, respectful and orderly institutions of prostitution. But in a vast majority of cases, the women get very little, are violently oppressed and abused.

The goal of discussion is to have actual discussion, not to argue semantics. But yes, I will avoid a discussion with someone if that discussion cannot lead to something constructive or productive. I'm sure you've seen more than one so called discussion on this forum that lead absolutely nowhere, resulting in nothing of value. That's the reason topics like religion aren't allowed, because no discussion can be had about it, as it's all semantics.

[Revik]

They don't want to either in most cases, it's not viewed positively to date a foreigner, you could get a conflict with your family for it

Of the Koreans that I have known they have been very strict as to marrying ONLY Korean. This goes for both guys and girls.

Chinese from my experience have been that guys need to marry at least Asian while girls can marry whomever as long as it is marrying up. I could be wrong but this is more typical of other asian cultures as well.

[Deleted]

Bullshit, its a major reason why men fancy Russian and Asian women. Not a myth, a reality. And a clear reality here where it's actually quite common.

Really? I'd like to have that proven to me because I believe it's entirely anecdotal.
As another poster pointed out, there's nothing submissive about, for example, Shanghai women. Hell, I wouldn't call many Chinese people overall to be very polite or submissive...
The reason Asian women are thought to be more submissive is cultural. Women are often not allowed to NOT be submissive. It's "their place".

[wheresmywoft]

Of the Koreans that I have known they have been very strict as to marrying ONLY Korean. This goes for both guys and girls.

Chinese from my experience have been that guys need to marry at least Asian while girls can marry whomever as long as it is marrying up. I could be wrong but this is more typical of other asian cultures as well.

The Koreans I've seen have been rather liberal as to who they marry. Lots stay with Asian SOs. Several have chosen European SOs.

[Deleted]

Just a note: different kinds of Asian girls are very different

Shanghai girls are some of the most entitled, dominating girls on Earth - and Russian girls are kind of weird in that they believe in pleasing their man, but they expect to be treated like princesses in return, so GL with that

To generalize about an entire continent with the most people on it is rather absurd, yes.

[Puupi]

The reason Asian women are thought to be more submissive is cultural. Women are often not allowed to NOT be submissive. It's "their place".

And that's exactly the point. I didn't say it's in their genes. It's the culture.