Julian Assange promises 'a lot more material' related to election will be leaked

[Deleted]

I'm a paid Obama shill. It would be a conflict of interest.

Obama does't pay he just race baits you. Got your #BLM t-shirt on?

[Nihilist74]

It wouldn't really matter if they leaked emails on trump. Trump already voices awful plans and ideas in his speeches.

[Gheld]

I'm a paid Obama shill. It would be a conflict of interest.

Trust me, over Hillary and Trump, I'd take a 3rd Obama term any day. He's at worst, maybe about as bad as Bush. On a good day slightly better.

[Deleted]

It wouldn't really matter if they leaked emails on trump. Trump already voices awful plans and ideas in his speeches.

He's not that stupid. He does business via email as well. People in the private sector view security more.

[Gheld]

As a self-described progressive, I keep wondering about 2020. If Hillary wins this time, does she run unopposed and win the 2020 nom too? And does that mean we're waiting until 2024 before we get our next shot at a real progressive candidate? And does it also mean that she's got a great shot at losing big in 2020 and handing the country over to the Republicans?

That's what kills me about this candidate.

That is why progressives need to back Jill Stein. If you can upset Hillary with a Stein vote split, the DNC will be sitting there with their jaw on the floor. And they'll have no choice but to think "Hmm... maybe our voter base actually wants a proper progressive candidate, and not just some Wallstreet Neocon Flip-Flopper."

[Deleted]

As a self-described progressive, I keep wondering about 2020. If Hillary wins this time, does she run unopposed and win the 2020 nom too? And does that mean we're waiting until 2024 before we get our next shot at a real progressive candidate? And does it also mean that she's got a great shot at losing big in 2020 and handing the country over to the Republicans?

That's what kills me about this candidate.

You had, he was called Obama. Progressives never ever deliver because can't shake the SJW/PC rethoric so they get bullied by everyone with a lauder mouth, because in term they never stood on strong ideals. You can't pick a middl of the pack ideology and expect it to become reality when in real life they get facerolled each time.

Heck even Sander's socialism had better chances, because the SJW and regressive left was on board with it after years and years of indoctrination in university campuses. Right now and in the near future only regressives (your so called progressive that don't exist anymore) will battle it out against conservatives. Maybe after another 2x terms we might get a real libertarian when rep. party get's reformed.

[Ulmita]

Trust me, over Hillary and Trump, I'd take a 3rd Obama term any day. He's at worst, maybe about as bad as Bush. On a good day slightly better.

Nailed it.

Both of them are stupid each in his own way.

[Gheld]

You had, he was called Obama. Progressives never ever deliver because can't shake the SJW/PC rethoric so they get bullied by everyone with a lauder mouth, because in term they never stood on strong ideals.

Obama wasn't progressive. At least not in any way that is meaningful to the presidency of the United States.

Obama Care isn't even his. Obama was an outspoken supporter of single payer Healthcare and the US ended up with some shit frankensystem. That's because the president has no power in that regard. On Foreign policy, he wasn't much better than Bush. Bush liked declaring war on anyone with a funny hat, Obama continued those wars, and waged many more, except through clandestine subversion; but his administration fucked shit up just as much as Bush's did.

[Deleted]

Obama wasn't progressive. At least not in any way that is meaningful to the presidency of the United States.

Obama Care isn't even his. Obama was an outspoken supporter of single payer Healthcare and the US ended up with some shit frankensystem. That's because the president has no power in that regard. On Foreign policy, he wasn't much better than Bush. Bush liked declaring war on anyone with a funny hat, Obama continued those wars, and waged many more, except through clandestine subversion; but his administration fucked shit up just as much as Bush's did.

Look for libertarians. A lot of ex-progressive went there because the left went all crazy SJW/PC. But it will be hard for any of them to run after a democrat in office, one part of the regressive left like Hillary.

[Gheld]

Look for libertarians. A lot of ex-progressive went there because the left went all crazy SJW/PC.

The left is certainly in shambles right now that's for damn sure. I don't think going libertarian is a solution though. Since fiscally you can't get any further to the right there. The libertarian economic model can only work if intellectual property laws are all repealed. And that's never going to happen.

[Crispin]

Well if the person who was allegedly raped says she wasn't raped...that seems pretty ya know..

It doesnt matter tbh.

The reason why the state will see the case through, is simply because threatening is a very useful tool, if one can simply regret the charges and the case then is forgotten (not to forget that she'd recive some kind of fine/punishment for lying), heck if his ex-gf says he wasnt raped, what on earth would the problem be? why is this guy living in an embassy instead of facing trial in Sweden for something that should be a walk in the park?

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It's not like the US have never done anything similar in the past.

Right?



From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Omar_case

Is this how they always extradite people? or could it be the situation after 9/11 mixed with local help etc.?

[Deleted]

It doesnt matter tbh.

The reason why the state will see the case through, is simply because threatening is a very useful tool, if one can simply regret the charges and the case then is forgotten (not to forget that she'd recive some kind of fine/punishment for lying), heck if his ex-gf says he wasnt raped, what on earth would the problem be? why is this guy living in an embassy instead of facing trial in Sweden for something that should be a walk in the park?

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Is this how they always extradite people? or could it be the situation after 9/11 mixed with local help etc.?

Asange doesn't have to testify from Sweden. The offer was made that he testify from within the embassy but it was refused. It's not even something that is all that uncommon as it was done several times.

Long said: “Interviewing Mr Assange inside the embassy has been Ecuador’s request for four years. Over 1,400 days we have been asking the Swedes to come and interrogate him in our embassy. So it is welcome there has been change of heart and some sign of political will.

“But since November 2010 and March 2015 Sweden made 44 such requests to other countries to interview suspects in other cases. So it is very common and could be easily done, but we faced total refusal for years.”
Taken from https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...assy-wikileaks

[Hyve]

The issue for the Democrats was simply that their only real choices were Bernie & Hilary, and which one of them has the political clout to actually win the election? This election, as most of them are these days, is more about preventing Trump from taking the Oval Office, and not really about putting Hilary in because that's what people want.

Preventing Trump seems to have been the main goal of the Democrats this time round, and that's had a profound impact on who they chose to lead. I doubt in any circumstance though that Bernie would've taken the nomination because Clinton is such a huge political team that it's nearly impossible to challenge them.

That's what politics is now though. Inter-group fighting between almost cults of followers for a specific family or team. Trump challenges that a lot, Bernie challenges that too, but Clinton doesn't. Clinton was (sadly) the safest bet for the Democrats, so that's where we are today.

[Ulmita]

They say that Assange will be releasing more and more material as the elections get closer. September and particularly October will be supah hot months for the democrats.

[Forogil]

So Assanges claims that the US want him delivered on a silver plate and tried in their "justice system" seem unrealistic and paranoid to you?

Yes, since the US haven't stated that themselves and it seems unclear if Assange could be tried for anything in the US. Or to summarize: a non-existent extradition threat based on a non-existent crime; to cover that he is avoiding extradition for questioning for an actual crime.

He isn't afraid that he will be extradited - he is afraid that nothing will happen and he will lose even more relevance.

and gossip columns? so your point of view is that WikiLeaks are irrelevant in the info matrix on this planet. when they in fact are the most influential contributer of truth in our time...if not in history

Manning provided them with one good scoop. Nothing interesting after that - and Assange even attack other more interesting leaks - like the Panama papers.

[Captain Proton]

Accroding to Wikileaks
According to the hacker himself
Acrording to Putin
AND ACCORDING TO HILLARY CLINTON HERSLEF!!!!

Do your fukking research
Hillary Clinton campaign claims hackers linked to Russian Government

From your own link:

hacker who goes by the name Guccifer 2.0 took credit for the 19,252 emails released Friday morning by Wikileaks.

Investigators looking into the DNC hack have said that Guccifer 2.0 is an operative of the Russian government, which the hacker denies.

Instead, he says he's a Romanian 'hacktivist' and a solo player who dubbed himself after the original hacker Guccifer.

Your link also only shows Hillary says it's the Russians. Not Putin, not Wikileaks, not the hacker. The article this thread is about even has Asange refusing to confirm or deny it was the Russians. The hacker himself says he isn't Russian from your article. If your "research" is a daily mail article which you didn't even read fully, that's hilariously stupid.

[Acidbaron]

What i find interesting is that before such information would be released in bulk, now it seems to be released in chunks as if it was done to intentionally target the campaign at certain moments, in other words picking a side something that wikileaks generally didn't do they were for freedom of information and tried to not become too political affiliated.

Not a big believer in coincidence.

[Forogil]

It's not like the US have never done anything similar in the past.

Correct. Since extradition is a judicial thing - based on laws; whereas that was extrajudicial rendition.

If the US wants to kidnap Assange they would want him to travel freely to maximize the chances of taking him - but that would require that they actually had some legal case for it (Assange is not actually wanted for any crime in the US; just in Sweden) - which is the very opposite of the current state.

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They say that Assange will be releasing more and more material as the elections get closer.

Assange claims. His reliability isn't super-high - or it might be more material - but nothing interesting the next time either.

[Acidbaron]

From your own link:


Your link also only shows Hillary says it's the Russians. Not Putin, not Wikileaks, not the hacker. The article this thread is about even has Asange refusing to confirm or deny it was the Russians. The hacker himself says he isn't Russian from your article. If your "research" is a daily mail article which you didn't even read fully, that's hilariously stupid.

There are more sources, here somethings to read.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/all...d-the-dnc-hack

Also Guccifer 2.0 was asked to explain his hack in romanian and he struggled to write in it.

There's also this http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...chers-say.html

So it's quite a bit more then just the hillary camp claiming this, just as fyi.

[apeiron1234]

I just took a leak.