2016 Democratic National Convention - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - July 25-28

[Theodarzna]

So nice of you to put up with all that so that we could have the pleasure of your residence.

It's okay, I don't like you either.

[Wildtree]

JFK Changed our Immigration laws, and as an immigrant from Europe let me tell you that you guys do not have open borders. JFK did not make it open borders. Getting into this country is expensive, annoying, a hassle, a pain

Amen.
Same here, same experience.
And that's where we Europeans are even privileged, vs others.

The average American knows lick about the country's immigration laws. It takes almost always an immigrant to inform them.
Not necessarily blaming em though, since the immigration law is pretty much the last law an American has to worry about at all in their daily life.
But then, with immigration being so much front and center of the election campaigns, and considering how long already.
At some point that excuse doesn't work anymore.

[Matchles]

It's okay, I don't like you either.

Aww, you might want to step away from the debate for a while then. It should be all in good fun. You seemed to think I hated you at one point too. I don't hate anyone on here.

[Wildtree]

I'd have to seriously reconsider the decisions I've made in life if you did.

With the portion I've quoted from him, he's correct.
Not agreeing with his insult. I've arrived at a different conclusion. I'm blessed with exceptional great friends I've made in the US.

[Tijuana]

Is this the most chaotic and ineffectual political convention in history? Everyone on TV today is talking about DNC scandals, Trump press conferences, and Hillary's email scandals. I can't imagine there was ever a bigger disaster of a convention on record.

[alexw]

We will have to agree to disagree.

Occupy movement is calling for a second New Deal that many FDR Democrats have supported for over half a century in America.

Millennials are not more liberal than their parents, grand parents or great grand parents.

Looks like I'm banging my head against a brick wall. Just because you don't like the truth doesn't make it the truth. Take a look at this.......
Note too that millennials overwhelmingly supported sanders over all other candidates on both republican and democratic sides.



Will you accept the reality of what I am saying now?

[Matchles]

Is this the most chaotic and ineffectual political convention in history? Everyone on TV today is talking about DNC scandals, Trump press conferences, and Hillary's email scandals. I can't imagine there was ever a bigger disaster of a convention on record.

No. The convention has been pretty good. Michelle Obama gave perhaps the best speech in convention history. Yesterday was about introducing the country to Clinton with stories they might not be aware. Not something the news spends an entire cycle covering. It'll pick back up tonight.

[Wildtree]

Is this the most chaotic and ineffectual political convention in history? Everyone on TV today is talking about DNC scandals, Trump press conferences, and Hillary's email scandals. I can't imagine there was ever a bigger disaster of a convention on record.

I dunno, the convention itself runs pretty smooth. off to a little rocky start with Bernie or Bust crowds. That essentially died off pretty much entirely inside the venue.
Clinton, expected to get heckled, was able to give his speech without any interruption.
By tomorrow night, things are probably business as usual and as expected.
Two weeks from now, we will see what the impacts are from both conventions.

[Theodarzna]

Amen.
Same here, same experience.
And that's where we Europeans are even privileged, vs others.

The average American knows lick about the country's immigration laws. It takes almost always an immigrant to inform them.
Not necessarily blaming em though, since the immigration law is pretty much the last law an American has to worry about at all in their daily life.
But then, with immigration being so much front and center of the election campaigns, and considering how long already.
At some point that excuse doesn't work anymore.

I was much younger when we did the process, but it isn't fun or a cake walk. Its expensive and stressful. Even with my mom marrying a an American and having an American step-dad. It wasn't "Come on in, vote Democrat." which did no good since my mom doesn't vote, I'm..... me...... and my half brother is a Republican. So for all the "import our voters," shpeal, in my families case they got two women whose either don't vote or don't vote Democrat in a loyal fashion, and they got a guy who is a Republican. Sooooooo..........?

Yeah its not an excuse. It's just a dumb talking point that's been spread around the web a gajillion times.

[Tijuana]

No. The convention has been pretty good. Michelle Obama gave perhaps the best speech in convention history. Yesterday was about introducing the country to Clinton with stories they might not be aware. Not something the news spends an entire cycle covering. It'll pick back up tonight.

Are you even paying attention to the news coverage? It's pretty sad when shills for the DNC even are talking about nothing but scandals and Trump.

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I dunno, the convention itself runs pretty smooth. off to a little rocky start with Bernie or Bust crowds. That essentially died off pretty much entirely inside the venue.
Clinton, expected to get heckled, was able to give his speech without any interruption.
By tomorrow night, things are probably business as usual and as expected.
Two weeks from now, we will see what the impacts are from both conventions.

Why would you expect Bill Clinton to be heckled again? Are you not from the US or something? You keep saying things are just odd for someone paying attention, and you are usually pretty sharp.

My point is not what is going on inside the convention, which admittedly is also somewhat chaotic. My point is this is supposed to be the news cycle of the benefits of the DNC, not what a disaster it is right now. Nothing on the news is positive at the moment, and I literally have never seen that in my life in the week of the Democrat convention.

[Wildtree]

Why would you expect Bill Clinton to be heckled again? Are you not from the US or something? You keep saying things are just odd for someone paying attention, and you are usually pretty sharp.

I am paying attention, and I wasn't the only one expecting as much.
Bill got in arguments with BLM supporters, weeks ago.
It was not out of the picture how that can happen again.

[NYC17]

"Supposed"? The FBI director calling her out on several lies takes it a bit beyond just "supposed".

Also, I'm saying look at their record, and what they've actually done, as opposed to what they're promising to do. Trump has never been in office, so who the hell knows what he's going to do. Hillary, on the other hand, has been.

I'm not saying vote for Trump. I wouldn't, if I was an American. However, the fearmongering about Trump, which seems to be the only selling point of Hillary's these days, isn't really based on anything other than the words of someone who uses a lot them, most of which are empty.

Yes, supposed. It's a neutral statement as i haven't personally decided on her trustworthiness in relation to holding the office of presidency.

The "fearmongering" about Trump almost entirely has to do with quoting exactly what he has said, while running for president. If that induces fear in voters that's on him.

There is no defense for him. Especially one centered around "he has no experience in office so we can't tell what he'll do". Either way he's a horrible choice. Whether it's because he won't done what he said he would, or he will.

The guy makes the case against himself.

[Matchles]

Are you even paying attention to the news coverage? It's pretty sad when shills for the DNC even are talking about nothing but scandals and Trump.

Yeah I do pay attention. Trump just made one of the stupidest comments in political history that is directly connected to the DNC email hack on the quietest night of the convention. No one is going to spend time instead reporting on Clinton's bio. Yeah the Republicans got more coverage because of how monumentally their convention was a fuck up. I'd rather have little coverage than wall to wall coverage about plagiarism.

[Tijuana]

I am paying attention, and I wasn't the only one expecting as much.
Bill got in arguments with BLM supporters.
It was not out of the picture how that can happen again.

Bill Clinton is still viewed as the first black president by many in the community. He is as rock star as a politician can ever get. Even those on the right like to meet him and shake his hand, even though they disagree with his policies.

[Theodarzna]

Looks like I'm banging my head against a brick wall. Just because you don't like the truth doesn't make it the truth. Take a look at this.......
Note too that millennials overwhelmingly supported sanders over all other candidates on both republican and democratic sides.



Will you accept the reality of what I am saying now?

That would depend on the issues people care about.

If its "The economic system is good and works for everybody." or the whole wealth inequality thing, then yeah, there is a mighty difference between Sanders and Clinton. Or the "US Problems to solve things make things worse," on that issue TRUMP is to the left of Hillary. Or cutting back on military spending. Or just the role of businesses profits ect.

There is also the question of, which issues does Hillary care about? Which are HER priorities?

This is what has me worried for Hillary in a sense, what is her big speech going to be? I'll say right here that I think Trump's speech was actually the perfect one to give right now because it taps into what most of the country feels, basically this country is heading in the wrong direction. Hillary is running as a status quo candidate, that is objectively true about her. And I suspect she is going to get up there and give a pep talk pep rally speech. "America's doing great and I will protect these great things." Which ignores that for most of the country, things aren't great. Heck the 2008 depression has largely not ended in those bits of America outside NYC and Silicon Valley.

This relates back to the issues were Hillary and Sanders disagree, because BOY are those critical issues RIGHT NOW. Believing the state of the economy is basically fine when most of the people do no feel as such, is going to come off tone deaf compared to the guy who at least is saying "Things are bad right now," because unfortunately for lot of the country things are bad right now and they haven't been good for a very long time.

[alexw]

Are you even paying attention to the news coverage? It's pretty sad when shills for the DNC even are talking about nothing but scandals and Trump.

Ummm they are not talking about Trump in a good way, no-one is. I mean he just called on Russia to hack Hillary Clinton's computers and release whatever they find. He is asking an enemy nation to undertake espionage against US citizens and meddle in internal politics. How on earth can that help him? Do you think any reasonable person would welcome that?

[Mafic]

Looks like I'm banging my head against a brick wall. Just because you don't like the truth doesn't make it the truth. Take a look at this.......
Note too that millennials overwhelmingly supported sanders over all other candidates on both republican and democratic sides.



Will you accept the reality of what I am saying now?

You don't understand the truth or even American history. I understand you are a young millennial that thinks you are more liberal than your parents. You know Boomers thought they were more liberal than their parents and their parents thought they were more liberal than their own parents right?

Every younger generation thinks they are more liberal, but once they grow up and enter adulthood they give up childish notions of liberalism.

That is why the drug sharing, free love hippies of the 60s and 70's morphed into Reagan Democrats in the 80's.

[Wildtree]

Bill Clinton is still viewed as the first black president by many in the community. He is as rock star as a politician can ever get. Even those on the right like to meet him and shake his hand, even though they disagree with his policies.

Are you now giving me a status report that applies to you, me and most? Or are you truly considering those that got into arguments with him earlier?
I mean that incident was very real. Those kids they don't care much, apparently.
Whether we regard him highly, isn't of their concern.

[Tijuana]

Yeah I do pay attention. Trump just made one of the stupidest comments in political history that is directly connected to the DNC email hack on the quietest night of the convention. No one is going to spend time instead reporting on Clinton's bio. Yeah the Republicans got more coverage because of how monumentally their convention was a fuck up. I'd rather have little coverage than wall to wall coverage about plagiarism.

If you say so. I tend to think the DNC would disagree. I'm pretty sure they didn't want their entire week to be nothing but scandals. Also, you have to love Trump's style points here. He does this over and over and they keep falling for it. He intentionally says things that enrage the media, but he has a way of mostly doing it over issues the public quietly agrees with. So the media spends 2 days shooting themselves in the foot, forgetting that much of the public does not agree with their views. This is how he won the primary for $4.52 or whatever he spent.

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Are you now giving me a status report that applies to you, me and most? Or are you truly considering those that got into arguments with him earlier?
I mean that incident was very real. Those kids they don't care much, apparently.
Whether we regard him highly, isn't of their concern.

BLM as a political movement, is completely irrelevant. Black voters only vote for one party, ergo neither party cares what they think. It's sad, but true.

[Wildtree]

BLM as a political movement, is completely irrelevant. Black voters only vote for one party, ergo neither party cares what they think. It's sad, but true.

I agree with you.