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  1. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by supertony51 View Post
    Me, personally, I'd start deporting the immediate family of any refugee that commits terroristic actions, or violent crime.
    Are you sure about that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

  2. #202
    Quote Originally Posted by supertony51 View Post
    Well, given how much crime is increasing and terrorism is on the rise, whatever approach your using isn't working. Whats the solution? I'm not sure, but more Draconian measures may need to be implemented, or you can watch your countries rot from within.

    Me, personally, I'd start deporting the immediate family of any refugee that commits terroristic actions, or violent crime.
    Well if you're not sure what the solution to the problem your fucking country started is, how about you shut your piehole instead of making dumbass jokes or being a wiseass about it, how about that? Because while we could use all kinds of things in Europe these days, some smartass cracking jokes or being a dick about it certainly isn't one of them.

    And while we're on the topic... Draconian measures? Do you know what TERRORISTS love? It's telling their new recruits how evil the west is. Have you considered that? How draconian do you want to get to punish a dude, who actually, literally thinks dying is a cool thing as long as someone else kills him? Here's a pop quiz for you: How do you punish someone that thinks if you kill him, he's won the game?

    Deporting the family of refugees? Have you smoked the same crack Drumpf seems to be getting as an IV these days? Do you know what will happen the SECOND German starts deporting someone not German for being "a family member" of someone doing something evil?

    Oh yeah, right... it's blokes like you coming into this forum saying "Ha, I knew it... once a nazi, always a nazi... look at them deporting people and collecting them in concentration camps... I fucking knew it, fucking nazis the lot of them..."

    Go ahead, deny it... I won't be able to sleep tonight because I'll be laughing until morning, but it'll be worth seeing the feeble attempt to deny this..
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  3. #203
    Donald Trumps dark rhetoric is clearly to blame. And assault rifles.

  4. #204
    Did you see what she was wearing she was asking for it!

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Linadra View Post
    Are you sure about that?
    Yes.

    Being a refugee is a privilege, and shouldn't be a right. If you are a guest in someone elses house, you should behave or GTFO.

  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by supertony51 View Post
    Yes.

    Being a refugee is a privilege, and shouldn't be a right. If you are a guest in someone elses house, you should behave or GTFO.
    Well... yes, that's what our laws say, generally. That's not the problem. Nobody is worried about people that are already apprehended. They are not the issue. The issue are people that are not yet apprehended. We knew next to nothing about the guys in Germany until they started doing dumb shit. What kind of backwater hippie community do you think we are that we just let known criminals walk around with guns because that's cool?

    As for the GTFO, kinda hard, but we'll put them in prison anyway until they can GTFO (ie. the reason for their refugee status is resolved).
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  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Well if you're not sure what the solution to the problem your fucking country started is, how about you shut your piehole instead of making dumbass jokes or being a wiseass about it, how about that? Because while we could use all kinds of things in Europe these days, some smartass cracking jokes or being a dick about it certainly isn't one of them.

    And while we're on the topic... Draconian measures? Do you know what TERRORISTS love? It's telling their new recruits how evil the west is. Have you considered that? How draconian do you want to get to punish a dude, who actually, literally thinks dying is a cool thing as long as someone else kills him? Here's a pop quiz for you: How do you punish someone that thinks if you kill him, he's won the game?

    Deporting the family of refugees? Have you smoked the same crack Drumpf seems to be getting as an IV these days? Do you know what will happen the SECOND German starts deporting someone not German for being "a family member" of someone doing something evil?

    Oh yeah, right... it's blokes like you coming into this forum saying "Ha, I knew it... once a nazi, always a nazi... look at them deporting people and collecting them in concentration camps... I fucking knew it, fucking nazis the lot of them..."

    Go ahead, deny it... I won't be able to sleep tonight because I'll be laughing until morning, but it'll be worth seeing the feeble attempt to deny this..

    bwhahaha, you mad bro?

    Puuuhhhlease, don't lecture me about who started what. European policies and actions over the last 500 years are far more contributory to what's going on in the middle east than anything we have done. Besides, last time I checked we didn't have any number of troops in Syria.

    Secondly, well you could idk, find ways of eliminating the incentives of people to migrate to your countries, cutting off any and all state aid would be a good start. I mean, hell they can think that we are mean all day long....let them do that in their own country. You have a right to take measures to protect your own people. If your gov't and people are unwilling to do so, than maybe you shouldn't exist anymore.

    Besides, you talk about "if you kill him he thought he won the game", no one said to outright kill them. Threaten to boot his family back to the shithole they came from, one and all, and maybe they will rethink their actions, Obviously being nice and accommodating isn't working.

    Shit dude, do what you want, its your country. If you're willing to sit idley by and watch violent crimes against women, jews, and gays increase, and Continued terrorist attacks, that's your business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Well... yes, that's what our laws say, generally. That's not the problem. Nobody is worried about people that are already apprehended. They are not the issue. The issue are people that are not yet apprehended. We knew next to nothing about the guys in Germany until they started doing dumb shit. What kind of backwater hippie community do you think we are that we just let known criminals walk around with guns because that's cool?

    As for the GTFO, kinda hard, but we'll put them in prison anyway until they can GTFO (ie. the reason for their refugee status is resolved).

    Well obviously the threat of prison isn't a very good deterrent is it. start booting the families and maybe they will be a bit more docile.

  8. #208
    Merkel should integrate these " refugees " better.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    We only burn oil in this house! Oil that comes from decent, god-fearing sources like dinosaurs! Which didn't exist!

  9. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by supertony51 View Post
    Yes.

    Being a refugee is a privilege, and shouldn't be a right. If you are a guest in someone elses house, you should behave or GTFO.
    But I'm pretty sure that was not what your presidential candidate suggested, was it? Wasn't it more along the lines of..."kill their families"?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by supertony51 View Post
    bwhahaha, you mad bro?

    Puuuhhhlease, don't lecture me about who started what. European policies and actions over the last 500 years are far more contributory to what's going on in the middle east than anything we have done. Besides, last time I checked we didn't have any number of troops in Syria.

    Secondly, well you could idk, find ways of eliminating the incentives of people to migrate to your countries, cutting off any and all state aid would be a good start. I mean, hell they can think that we are mean all day long....let them do that in their own country. You have a right to take measures to protect your own people. If your gov't and people are unwilling to do so, than maybe you shouldn't exist anymore.

    Besides, you talk about "if you kill him he thought he won the game", no one said to outright kill them. Threaten to boot his family back to the shithole they came from, one and all, and maybe they will rethink their actions, Obviously being nice and accommodating isn't working.

    Shit dude, do what you want, its your country. If you're willing to sit idley by and watch violent crimes against women, jews, and gays increase, and Continued terrorist attacks, that's your business.

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    Well obviously the threat of prison isn't a very good deterrent is it. start booting the families and maybe they will be a bit more docile.
    I'm not mad... I'm getting irritated at having to explain shit to you that a child could understand. Iraq, Saddam, IS... I mean, nobody gives a shit about the Taliban dicking around in Afghanistan. But you created a very specific set of circumstances that's now backfiring on your best allies. AND you're having a laugh about it, too. Am I mad? Not really, slightly pissed off at the childishness and the fact that those bloody Brits allowed a bunch of ungrateful imbeciles to run things on their own. As it turns out... really fucking bad idea, Britain... you dun fucked up!

    Incentives for coming here? Like... snap my fingers and the war in Syria is gone? Do you actually believe all of those million people fled Syria because... they somehow wanted to leech off the German state? Newsflash, they were fleeing to Turkey and other places long, LONG time before anyone even mentioned the possibility of them going to Germany. So yeah, 2 second thoughts hitting you like a meteor shower... hey, I Know... we'll listen to this US dude that clearly spend an entire 2 seconds on this post... we'll cut off all their aid. And then we'll watch them starve to death on our own streets.... wait, that doesn't look good. I know, we'll just give them a quarter on their own where they can starve in peace... let's call them Ghettos, for traditions sake...

    And again, who's going to be the first to comment about Germans being nazis again? Ah yes, our US American patriotic superhero Supertony! Because he knows his stuff and has all the easy solutions!

    Aside from the "They're nazis after all" argument, which doesn't seem to reach areas of your brain that have enough sparks in them to start a thinking process, let's talk about deporting their families... which families? Half of them couldn't even take their families with them according to your sides narrative. See, all the comments about how they're all really soldiers and there's never any women or children among them? That kinda bites your new plan in the ass, doesn't it?

    Shit, dude, yeah that's right... this isn't your country, but heck, I'll answer you anyway... since when did you start being a hobby marshal and hunted down violent criminals down in the US? Oh, you didn't? Well fuck that, then why do you think we should suddenly all do that? Geez, I'm not mad, I'm just getting irritated at your inability to actually form adult thought processes in your head... how about you stop posting now? I have a weird feeling this ain't going to get better the further you go along...
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  11. #211
    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...a-1408839.html

    LATE last November, an 84-year-old widow was asleep in an armchair in her house in Camden, north London, when a man broke in. He threatened her with a carving knife, then beat and raped her. He left her trapped in a wardrobe which he turned door-side down on to the floor, piling furniture on top of it; she was only freed when a neighbour became suspicious about a smashed window and called the police. A 17-year-old has been charged and will be tried in the summer.

    Exactly a week later, a 71-year-old woman in Daventry, Northamptonshire, was woken up and raped at knifepoint by an intruder. Two weeks after that, on Christmas Eve, a man visiting his 83-year-old spinster aunt on a council estate in Southwark, south London, became concerned when there was no reply to his knock on the door. He called the police who broke in and found the woman also trapped in a wardrobe, having been sexually assaulted.

    There are no figures for the numbers of sexual attacks on the elderly because the Home Office does not categorise its rape statistics by age. We may imagine that the rape of elderly women is a rare, horrible and peculiarly unnatural crime, but it is not. Looking at newspaper cuttings covering the past two or three years, it becomes clear that the rape of older women is not only commonplace but that the number of reported incidents are increasing.

    On Christmas Day 1991 a severely disabled 70-year-old woman was raped in Sussex. In January 1992 a man was jailed for nine years for raping the 66-year-old housekeeper of a Catholic priest. The following month a Worcester man was jailed for life after sexually assaulting an 88-year-old, punching her in the eye and mouth and slitting her clothes from the chest down. He had already served an eight-year sentence for raping a 50-year-old woman. In April 1992, Manchester Police investigated what the police authority's chairman Stephen Murphy called 'the worst case of its kind I have ever heard of'. An 88-year-old widow was left with a fractured skull, two broken ribs and other injuries after a four-hour attack in which she was kicked, battered and bitten by two men who raped her three times, forcing her to carry out what newspapers called 'a series of perverted sex acts'. In June of that year, a 16-year-old was convicted at Norwich Crown Court of the rape of a woman aged 100.

    What are we to make of it? Here are women not young, not sexually desirable by society's norms, beyond the menopause, still being considered fair game by rapists. What do the experts say - the psychologists, the specialists in the treatment of sex offenders, rape counsellors, Victim Support, national charities that promote the interests of older people?

    Nothing. The Prison Service could find no psychiatrists in their own sexual offender treatment programmes who could offer any opinion on the subject. Victim Support and Age Concern can offer no insight into the crime. There is no research, there are no studies of the after-effects of rape among elderly women. Despite the large amount of literature on date rape, there is almost nothing on the rape of older women. As one American study on the treatment of rape victims, published in 1991, admits: 'The sexual assault of older women assault of older women has received little attention in the rape literature. As a result there is paucity of information on the incidence and characteristics of sexual victimisation of the elderly and of the resulting psychological effects.'

    ON the face of it, the rape of the elderly should have merited more attention because it is a particularly violent crime. Between 60 and 70 per cent of all reported rapes are acquaintance rape, where the attacker is known to the victim. But the rapes of elderly women usually follow a scenario where a young man forcibly enters the woman's home, threatens or carries out physical violence, steals money or jewellery and leaves her where she may not be found for hours, or even days if she lives alone. For the victim, the physical assault can be especially devastating. Many women now in their seventies and eighties are likely to have had only one sexual partner throughout their lives, and those who are widowed may not have had any sexual contact for many years. (For women past the menopause, penetrative sex, even when desired, is often painful.) All in all, rape for an elderly woman should be particularly traumatic and therefore worthy of specialised attention.

    So why isn't it? Several years ago, Ginny Jenkins, director of Action on Elder Abuse (an independent organisation set up to monitor abuse of the elderly), worked in a day hospital where five elderly women reported having been raped over the course of one winter in their homes. She believes that the lack of interest in this crime reflects society's attitudes to old people and sex. 'We can't cope with old people having sex, so we can't cope with abusive sex,' she says. 'But the woman's own embarrassment also makes it greatly under-reported. If you can't tell your daughter that you're sleeping with your husband, how can you say that you've been raped?'

    The police point out that when rape is reported, elderly women make bad witnesses. 'It's very difficult to converse with an 88-year-old woman who has been raped three times,' says Chief Inspector John Dunn, who investigated the Manchester case. Poor eyesight may make identification difficult and there is a tendency for anyone under the age of 40 to be described as 'young'.

    Crimes need human faces to touch the public imagination. In the mid-Eighties, Maggie Foggarty, then a researcher for Getting On, Central Television's series for older viewers, tried to make a programme on the subject. While a number of viewers wrote in with their experiences of rape, none was willing to be interviewed. 'What came over was the sense of shame. One woman had lost her husband during the First World War and that was the only man she had ever known. This area was such a taboo, even within the team. We decided it was too sensitive a subject for television.'

    ONLY one older victim of rape has recently agreed to be interviewed by the press. Just over a year ago, on Christmas Eve, Muriel Harvey, a 68-year-old church warden and former magistrate in Ludlow, Shropshire, was walking home after midnight mass when a man grabbed her from behind and forced her into some nearby grounds where he raped her. Mrs Harvey spoke out about her experience at the time, and her memories are still vivid.

    'He was probably 40, fortunately reasonably clean, in a leather jacket. He said, 'Shut up you bitch or I'll kill you.' I don't think he realised at first that I was a much older woman but it didn't seem to deter him. I tried saying, 'I'm going to have a heart attack' and all those things but it didn't do any good. He didn't have a weapon but a very strong grip, a good clinch round my neck. I didn't try to fight. I thought, I'm not going to be able to run fast enough so that's it: let's hope for the best.

    'The worst thing was wondering whether I was going to survive. Very quickly I went into a state of high adrenalin and I thought, I've got to think and escape even if it means going through the actual sexual act. I didn't have time to think about whether he might have HIV until afterwards when I had to go through the checks in hospital. And then I thought, well, I'm alive and I'll meet that one when it happens.

    'My reactions afterwards were, thank God it wasn't a younger woman who would be much more vulnerable. I've had so many knocks in life. I've had break-ins in my family business last year, and I felt far more violated by that. I've been widowed twice, my first husband died when he was 52 and I was 48, leaving me with three children, the youngest seven. I remarried and then my second husband died. So within three years I had two body-blows and I don't think anything can affect me after that. Thank God it wasn't a very much more fragile old lady.'

    Muriel Harvey's philosophical approach to her own rape may be partly explained by her intelligence and strength of character; she studied sociology at London University and still runs her own business. The lack of any research, the silence and invisibility of other elderly victims and their sense of shame, makes it possible only to speculate about the nature and extent of their trauma. One woman's aunt was raped several years ago and died shortly afterwards: the incident is still not discussed in the family. But one former policewoman who has interviewed many rape victims recognises Mrs Harvey's response: she observes that the older women she has talked to have often cited, as Mrs Harvey does, previous traumatic events - such as living through world wars or losing spouses - as worse experiences.

    It is also possible that some older women may be better equipped than younger ones to cope with the guilt that follows rape. Two years ago Dr Gill Mezey, consultant forensic psychiatrist at St George's Hospital, Tooting, tried to research the long-term effects, but no money was available for the study. Dr Mezey has talked to a large number of older women who have been raped and, although she makes no scientific claims for what is only anecdotal evidence, she believes that the stage of life at which a woman is raped will effect her recovery.

    'While not minimising the trauma of the rape itself, what is also important is the secondary victimisation, the way a woman is treated by her partner, family, police and the criminal justice system which may be critical and blaming' she argues. 'Young, fit women are expected to put up some kind of fight.' It is difficult to convict someone of rape unless there has been physical resistance. But people do not expect women in their seventies to put up a fight. Nor will older women be accused of being complicit in their assault, of 'asking for it', by being sexually provocative or wearing sexy clothes.

    'The older a woman is the more stable is her personal development, her position in the family and life. A rape may be less likely to throw her into disarray,' Dr Mezey says. Such speculations may or may not prove helpful: without research, we do not know.

    WHAT of the rapists themselves? Little if any work has been done on men who rape elderly women. Dr Mezey says her interviews indicate that they are very hostile to women and feel belittled by them. Since Susan Brownmiller's landmark study of the mid-Seventies, Against Our Will, it has been understood that rape is not about sex but power. One theory put forward in an American study holds that older women symbolise an authority figure over whom the offender wants control or an actual woman against whom he wants to avenge himself. The desire, in such rapes, is not for sex but for the degradation, hurt and humiliation of the victim. 'How did he get an erection?', we guiltily wonder. The arousal may come from rage, nervous excitement or fear, as is suggested by the evidence of rapes in wartime. Others argue that these rapists are simply woman haters, and older women may just be easier to attack because of their vulnerability.

    The extent of sexual violence against older women may be far greater than press reports suggest. Earlier this year a report appeared in an American social work journal on sexual abuse of the elderly in Britain. Its author, Malcolm Holt, a Northumberland social worker, wrote to all the medical and social work journals in this country for cases of sexual abuse of the elderly by carers. By the time he wrote the report a year ago, he had 90 cases of sexual abuse by family members. The numbers have now grown to the hundreds. The most frequently reported abusers, 55 per cent, were sons. 'Frail, dependent elderly people, who suffer mental impairment, are very attractive as potential abuse victims' Holt wrote. Who will believe what they say? he asks.

    When Holt began his research, there was scepticism about the need for such a study. One GP questioned what harm could be done to a victim who had been raped by her son, since she was old and confused. It was colleagues who remembered the early days of uncovering the extent of child sexual abuse who encouraged Holt to continue with his research.

    Why does it happen? 'The issues are the same, whether it's abuse in the home or rape by a stranger,' Holt argues. 'It's about wielding power, leaving the victim totally shocked and humiliated and not willing to give evidence because they are confused and the evidence is unreliable. An American study says that sex offenders can move from children to old people. If their source of victim is denied, they find another.'

    The real shame is not the kind that elderly women feel who have been raped, but our ignorance of the subject. A study of sexual assaults on elderly women would throw light on the nature of rape itself, perhaps finally removing any lingering doubt that rape is about power rather than sex. Child sexual abuse, sexual abuse of frail, elderly women, is there so much difference? At the beginning and at the end of life, the weakest, the least likely to be believed, are the rapist's most vulnerable victims.

  12. #212
    No offense, but... what's the point of that article? Or are we just posting random articles loosely related to the topic now? :P
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  13. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    No offense, but... what's the point of that article? Or are we just posting random articles loosely related to the topic now? :P
    The article is about elder rape, which is in fact relevant to the topic. Or is this thread just an excuse to talk shit about Muslim immigrants?

  14. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post
    The article is about elder rape, which is in fact relevant to the topic. Or is this thread just an excuse to talk shit about Muslim immigrants?
    Wait, do you actually think anyone cares about that old woman except on a superficial level? Come on, you have to be cynical enough to realise this is just a topic to further spin the by now open anti-muslimic propaganda train that is rushing through GenOT by now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Wait, do you actually think anyone cares about that old woman except on a superficial level? Come on, you have to be cynical enough to realise this is just a topic to further spin the by now open anti-muslimic propaganda train that is rushing through GenOT by now...
    Well, if people don't care about the actual topic and are just here to bash Muslims then perhaps this topic should be locked. Or we can just make a "I HATE MUSLIMS" megathread and people can post in that instead.

  16. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post
    Well, if people don't care about the actual topic and are just here to bash Muslims then perhaps this topic should be locked. Or we can just make a "I HATE MUSLIMS" megathread and people can post in that instead.
    Well, that's against forum rules. So instead we'll have to pick any excuse to talk about how people hate muslims and me going through them all to tell them to fuck off without breaking forum rules and getting infracted left and right... *sigh*
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  17. #217
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radeghost View Post
    Nobody was opposing building a refugee camp in your small town? Geez. It's like bringing lions to the lambs. Well, not quite lions, but certainly more savage.
    Well there is a building where sone of them live.. its the only one I know and i have to say they look very kind. They were completly astonished when we went by with a group of pokemon go players and destroyed the arena nearby. Also they were waving german flags while the european football championship took place. Its the same with everything, you've got the good guys and the bad guys. Sad you can't say who is who till something happens

  18. #218
    Look you insensitive jerk. Can't you see how disrespectful you are to this man's religious beliefs? This woman was really old as it is. If he waited any longer it might have become necrophilia, which of course is against Islamic doctrine!


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  19. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    And while we're on the topic... Draconian measures? Do you know what TERRORISTS love? It's telling their new recruits how evil the west is. Have you considered that? How draconian do you want to get to punish a dude, who actually, literally thinks dying is a cool thing as long as someone else kills him? Here's a pop quiz for you: How do you punish someone that thinks if you kill him, he's won the game?
    Good point. We'd better be nice to them or else they'll really show us what for.

  20. #220
    Some people are just mentally ill. If someone told them to line up their kids so a Jihadi could run them over with a truck or they'd be called racists, they'd do it in a heart beat.

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