It's pretty dumb Calia doesn't give a shit about her former kingdom

[Mehrunes]

Not quite the same thing. The Blood Elves in Dalaran were purged because they were expelled from Dalaran (since every single Blood Elf was a possible traitor, because Aethas refused to give names), and due to their perceived allegiance to the Horde were therefore banished, something that Aethas, again, refused to accept. They were banished, and refused to leave, therefore purged. We can debate all year long about how excessive or not the purge was, but if you get banished, you need to leave or face consequences.

Even if you try to phrase it as "welp, they were banished", that doesn't change the part where they were "banished" for actions of a single individual. Even by your own admission. And Jaina simply gave no shits about whether it was a single individual or not and conducted no investigation whatsoever, so I'm not sure where you got the "Aethas refused to give names" part from. She asked for no names. She went back to Dalaran (from doing more or less the same thing she accused Blood Elves of), killed 5 guards before she even said anything about banishment, Purge or even your names, then did the rest. And given how she did that behind Council's back, she had no right to banish them anyway, which means Aethas had all the right in the world to refuse to accept her nonsense. Then conducted the Purge with foreign troops.

[Katchii]

We could if Blizzard cared enough to update the old world every now and then. How cool would it be if the power dynamic completely shifted?

You realize the vast majority of the "old world" was completely redone as part of Cataclysm right? So your comment, which IMO insinuates they don't care enough to redo the old world, isn't accurate.

Additionally, she would need backing and support for her to try and retake Lordaeron..which she is not likely to get. Attacking Undercity would result in an all out war with the Horde, which the Alliance is not about to support due to the Legion being on Azeroths doorstep (and in the living room, kitchen, bathrooms, etc... they're everywhere...). I'm also pretty sure the whole Alliance vs Horde all out war stuff is over given the themes of the last three and upcoming fourth expansion. The AvH story is just old and not at all interesting anymore, and it seems Blizzard at least somewhat agrees. Tensions will always be there, but all out war is boring and stupid now that there are world ending threats targeting Azeroth.

And most importantly, Calia as a character is not interested...end of discussion really.

[Deleted]

They could still heal themselves,the only organ they require are muscles and even that is debatable, there are skeletons among their ranks, not to mention spectral beings like banshees, the gas would not kill them fast enough and they have plenty of gas suits around, it is simply not effective enough to eradicate them, which is a must to reclaim lordearon.

I mostly agree with you, i was just trying to say "gas hurt them, but not really".

Classic undead are not the same as skelettons or ghost. they don't go from one state to the next...well except for that one guy.
I do think organs are vital, because they still decay. If organs are not vital what kill an undead ?

It's more a question of integrity. Destroy to much of the integrity of an undead and it will be killed. Removing one bone from a skeletton may not destroy it but destroy enough of them or the most important one and it can work. Un undead does not really care for it's liver but if you him in half i'm pretty sure he is dead.

[Florena]

Pretty much this. It's a very modern idea that conquest does not convey the right to rule. Not that I disagree with the modern standard, mind, but to think that it's obvious or should apply to Azeroth is absurd.

Almost as absurd as believing that a bloodline and a "right to the throne" based on said bloodline is sufficient justification to launch a massive invasion of an enemy nation. (Insofar as the Forsaken are enemies at least, seem to recall Sylvanas leaping to assault the demons going after Wrynn during the cinematic.)

Nice to see Alliance double standards alive and well though: JustRob believes the Alliance should reclaim Lorderon because it's rightfully theirs, but also believes they should have finished claiming Orgrimmar while they were there.... so right of conquest exists, but only for the Alliance.

Yeah, there's just no way Calia is taking that throne. The cost of life even of they won would be high and she has no experience to hold the kingdom together. She wasn't even a prominent political figure before the fall and most of her people are dead or in the Forsaken.

[Traveler Voltin]

Menethil line ends with her anyway

[Mehrunes]

Classic undead are not the same as skelettons or ghost. they don't go from one state to the next...well except for that one guy.
I do think organs are vital, because they still decay. If organs are not vital what kill an undead ?

The Forsaken are preserved in the state they were raised in, they do not decay.

[The5thVegetable]

To be fair, with all the shit she and the kingdom has been through, it's not hard to imagine that she let herself let go of it a long time ago in a time when Lordaeron likely seemed lost, and merely hasn't regained interest in it.

Not everyone wants to be a ruler, not everyone need to be a ruler. And let's not forget what a monumentally taxing task it is to rule a kingdom in the first place, let alone in the Warcraft universe. There's still room for her being a good character, and it would be nice to have an Alliance character besides Anduin who isn't all "KILL X HORDE RACE KILL X HORDE RACE KILL X HORDE RACE KILL X HORDE RACE."

The Forsaken are preserved in the state they were raised in, they do not decay.

Actually, they do. But members of the Cult of The Forgotten Shadow are able to reverse it, "heal" undead so to speak. Pretty sure Necromancers are capable of that as well.

[Mehrunes]

Actually, they do. But members of the Cult of The Forgotten Shadow are able to reverse it, "heal" undead so to speak. Pretty sure Necromancers are capable of that as well.

RPG isn't canon.

[Combatbutler]

Actually, they do. But members of the Cult of The Forgotten Shadow are able to reverse it, "heal" undead so to speak. Pretty sure Necromancers are capable of that as well.

Hey, lore question: Do Forsaken keep rotting once they're reanimated?
They're in a state of 'preserved decay,' depending on condition when raised. Could live forever if body kept in-tact! (DaveKosak)

[Deleted]

The Forsaken are preserved in the state they were raised in, they do not decay.

But every wound they take even the most minor one still affects them and does not regenerate naturally.
Their skin will eventually fall not because the body is dead but because it has been overused.

[JustRob]

You realize the vast majority of the "old world" was completely redone as part of Cataclysm right? So your comment, which IMO insinuates they don't care enough to redo the old world, isn't accurate.

Additionally, she would need backing and support for her to try and retake Lordaeron..which she is not likely to get. Attacking Undercity would result in an all out war with the Horde, which the Alliance is not about to support due to the Legion being on Azeroths doorstep (and in the living room, kitchen, bathrooms, etc... they're everywhere...). I'm also pretty sure the whole Alliance vs Horde all out war stuff is over given the themes of the last three and upcoming fourth expansion. The AvH story is just old and not at all interesting anymore, and it seems Blizzard at least somewhat agrees. Tensions will always be there, but all out war is boring and stupid now that there are world ending threats targeting Azeroth.

And most importantly, Calia as a character is not interested...end of discussion really.

Notice how I said every now and then? They updated it ONCE, with Cataclysm. But right now we've had the Cataclysm old world longer than we had vanilla old world. They need to update it way more often.

Menethil line ends with her anyway

Why do you keep saying that

[Combatbutler]

Notice how I said every now and then? They updated it ONCE, with Cataclysm. But right now we've had the Cataclysm old world longer than we had vanilla old world. They need to update it way more often.

After the shitstorm they received in cata for revamping it, it is quite unlikely.

Why do you keep saying that

Because Calia is quite old and the only royal menethil left, if she doesn't pop out a kid soon the line is over.

[Raetary]

Why do you keep saying that

because she is the last menethil?

[Traveler Voltin]

she is almost to the age where she can't have kids.
The menethil name dies even if she gets married and has a child. The line may be there but the name wont be.

[Deleted]

Nice to see Alliance double standards alive and well though: JustRob believes the Alliance should reclaim Lorderon because it's rightfully theirs, but also believes they should have finished claiming Orgrimmar while they were there.... so right of conquest exists, but only for the Alliance.

Technically, Humans were on Azeroth before the orcs...so no double standards ?

Why do you keep saying that

because she is like 40 ?

Notice how I said every now and then? They updated it ONCE, with Cataclysm. But right now we've had the Cataclysm old world longer than we had vanilla old world. They need to update it way more often.

Legion does a bucn of those things through class campain.
MoP did it with 2 patchs + dungeons/scenarios

[Combatbutler]

Technically, Humans were on Azeroth before the orcs...so no double standards ?

But the lands the humans settled on belonged to the trolls, all of it.

[Deleted]

But the lands the humans settled on belonged to the trolls, all of it.

And a troll took over the orc city. All is logical.

[Deleted]

Why do you keep saying that

She is 40 or older.

A 40 years old woman that found her calling in religion doesn't usually bare children.

[JustRob]

She is 40 or older.

A 40 years old woman that found her calling in religion doesn't usually bare children.

Maybe she already has one. You think she's been single for 40+ years?

[Venziir]

Christ, JustRob is the Jaylock of lore threads....