Scumbag Criminals Bitch About No AC in Prison and Sue

[Kelthos]

Wish I could say I was surprised by the complete lack of empathy a lot of people are showing here. In places where heat stroke is a serious risk in the summer (like a lot of the southern U.S.) it is simply dangerous to not have A/C in these facilities. Will they die? No, probably not, but prisoner or not they are still a Human being and should be treated with a shred of dignity. Not to mention that a content prison populace is oftentimes a more rule following prison populace.

Not everyone in prison is a hardened, remorseless killer. Many just want to serve their time and try to rebuild their life afterwards.

I have a family member who served a few years of prison time in Alabama. They didn't have A/C, but rather giant fans that only worked half the time and even when they did work they did a really shitty job of cooling the place down at all.

[Kellhound]

just like how we still interpret the second amendment to only apply to the types of firearms available when the constitution was drafted.

/sarcasm.

Pretty much everyone agrees all guns are "arms", but what constitutes cruel and unusual is a matter open to a great deal of debate.

[Glnger]

Pretty much everyone agrees all guns are "arms", but what constitutes cruel and unusual is a matter open to a great deal of debate.

but all "arms" aren't legal. Its a circular argument was the point I was getting at.

[Rennadrel]

If the temperature inside is over 28°C, that's inhumane, and the air conditioning should be used.

No, it really isn't. There are many people in this world who live without air conditioning, and they don't cry about it. Criminals don't deserve the luxury of air conditioning.

[Spunt]

“It is said that no one truly knows a nation until one has been inside its jails. A nation should not be judged by how it treats its highest citizens, but its lowest ones.”
― Nelson Mandela

[bladeXcrasher]

Its a trivial point to say that a ''prison'' is where criminals go, but the OP is about a jail ?

Yes, because it is completely irrelevant to the topic. So what if there are a mix of convicted and nonconvicted people? Fix the damn AC.

[Orlong]

Basic air conditioning in Louisiana sounds like kind of necessity to avoid the risk of heat stroke.

Maybe, but it should be set no lower than 85 degrees. It should be uncomfortable but not deadly, and every degree colder you set it at is another few million in taxpayer money we need to spend on electricity

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they could install fans or maybe purchase some fans for the staff of the prison. if the prisoners are good maybe they could lend a fan once in a while.

In the article it says that they provide fans, cold showers, and ice. Thats plenty of cooling, they dont need air conditioning

[Berengil]

“It is said that no one truly knows a nation until one has been inside its jails. A nation should not be judged by how it treats its highest citizens, but its lowest ones.”
― Nelson Mandela

Well said. RIP , Madiba.

We show how civilized we are by how we treat those whom we might justifiably hate.

" But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust." Matthew 5, 44 & 45, NIV

[unbound]

Despite a SCOTUS ruling in 1981 that the Constitution does not demand that prisons need to made comfortable, a bunch of thugs are bitching that the lack of AC in prison is a human rights violation and a violation of the 8th amendment regarding cruel and unusual punishment, and as such are suing.

This is asinine. I and many others grew up without air conditioning in our homes and survived just fine. It would cost too much money to install AC in the prisons and in addition, I dont believe they should have AC anyway. Prison isnt supposed to be like a hotel. Youre there to be punished and for the experience to be bad enough that you behave when you get out because you dont want to go back. They give them fans, cold showers, and ice. Thats good enough. Let the thugs sweat!!!

Well, those who grew up without air conditioning could get to places where there were breezes or even find pools and other water sources. Not so much in prison, right?

As for "thugs", keep in mind that only 8% of federal prisoners are sentenced for violent crimes. Most of them aren't really "thugs". In fact, about 1/2 of the prisoners are there because of our asinine war on drugs...many are involved in very minor offenses that are amplified by mandatory minimum sentences.

Finally, being an immoral jerk to the prisoners isn't going to make them better. In fact, you are making them worse. Ever seen how a beaten dog behaves? People beat some dogs for minor offenses and end up getting seriously maimed (or the dog maims others) because of the over-harsh treatment. You want the criminals to behave morally? You need to treat them morally.

[Orlong]

How many people died from heat stroke when you worked at a prison?

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https://supreme.justia.com/cases/fed.../337/case.html

That interpretation of the 8th amendment falls more on the judges sentencing than anyone else. All the way from time to facility said time will be served in. Yet people still find it necessary to send it to referral instead of putting the responsibility on the judge that did the sentencing.

Not only that but the Supreme Court already ruled in Rhodes vs Chapman (1981) that the 8th Amendment does NOT require prisons to be made comfortable.

(a) Conditions of confinement, as constituting the punishment at issue, must not involve the wanton and unnecessary infliction of pain, nor may they be grossly disproportionate to the severity of the crime warranting imprisonment. But conditions that cannot be said to be cruel and unusual under contemporary standards are not unconstitutional.To the extent such conditions are restrictive and even harsh, they are part of the penalty that criminals pay for their offenses against society. Pp. 452 U. S. 345-347.

But the Constitution does not mandate comfortable prisons, and prisons of SOCF's type, which house persons convicted of serious crimes, cannot be free of discomfort. Thus, these considerations properly are weighed by the legislature and prison administration, rather than a court.

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“It is said that no one truly knows a nation until one has been inside its jails. A nation should not be judged by how it treats its highest citizens, but its lowest ones.”
― Nelson Mandela

Of course he would say that. He spent decades in jail for being a treasonous terrorist who tried to overthrow the South African government. He was the commander of the MK, the military wing of the Marxist African National Congress (ANC)

The MK led a terrorist insurgency that included bombings of public places. It killed many, many more civilians than it did members of the regime’s security forces — copiously including women and children. Indeed, it killed many more people than the approximately 7,000 black South Africans who, according to the post-apartheid Truth and Reconciliation Commission, were killed by the regime during the 46 years of apartheid. In fact, twice that number, over 14,000 people, were killed between 1990 and 1994 — the period during which the ANC was legalized and black-on-black violence became rampant, just as it is in South Africa today. The ANC systematically killed rivals for power and suspected regime informants — most notoriously, by the savage method of “necklacing,” in which a tire filled with gasoline was hung around the terrified victim’s neck and then set on fire.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...rew-c-mccarthy

[Berengil]

Of course he would say that. He spent decades in jail for being a treasonous terrorist who tried to overthrow the South African government.

You can't be serious. He was resisting the racist regime of Apartheid.

Nvm. Just payed attention to your avatar. obvious fascist.

/forum ignore engaged

[Deja Thoris]

Of course he would say that. He spent decades in jail for being a treasonous terrorist who tried to overthrow the South African government.

Or as most people would see it, he fought against a deeply unjust and brutal regime. I've lived in SA probably for longer than you've been alive. You're dumb as shit if you think he was a treasonous terrorist - and this is from someone who was brought up indoctrinated with appartheid shit. Do us a favour and git smarter.

[Orlong]

You can't be serious. He was resisting the racist regime of Apartheid.

Nvm. Just payed attention to your avatar. obvious fascist.

/forum ignore engaged

You do that by electing people for your cause and changing the laws legally. You dont lead a rebellion killing 10s of thousands of innocent people

[Lost Zero]

Kind of split on this.

Basic human decency should be given to everyone in this country, but I'm having a little bit of a hard time feeling sorry for criminals. Working first hand in this heat I know how it feels, but seeing as they knew the consequences of breaking the law it's their bed that they made.

A lot of people in prisons haven't committed crimes. Some are there awaiting trial.

I'm also torn. A basic right to AC is silly. But if the heat enough to cause extreme discomfort or health issues, then it should be given. Jail doesn't need to be comfortable. Jail shouldn't be defacto torture.

[Deleted]

Surprised at the ammount of people claiming AC is a human right for criminals when there are more poor non-criminals in hot countries who get along without it just fine. Where is your "human rights" morale for them? #doublestandardsmuch?

[Deleted]

It's just that many other nations are way too lenient and let people get away with a lot of stuff.

I recently read that rapists in Sweden are sentenced to 2 years or community service.

rapist, not by the term you know it.

Rape is a different matter as a whole in Sweden. Which is why we have such different results.

There are different groups of ''Rape'' and you are judged accordingly. Just as there is a scale for murder, going from unintentional, to very planned. You get different sentences.

As is there for rape in sweden

Sexual assault is categorized under this.
any unwanted sexual advances after being told ''no''

Depending on how severe it is, or how feeble it is. One can get 2 years community service, for something that would be judged as unwanted advances or something of the sort in hte US.

[JohnBrown1917]

People who work construction, warehouse workers, welders, steel workers, miners, and many other people work in much hotter conditions. Its part of the job! Many of these people also work in frigid conditions without heat in the winter as well

We also have laws against inhumane working conditions here.

[Kathandira]

No, it really isn't. There are many people in this world who live without air conditioning, and they don't cry about it. Criminals don't deserve the luxury of air conditioning.

What about the guards who work there?

[Ryme]

Hard to judge without being able to examine the conditions, requests of which are suspiciously being denied.

[Deleted]

You do that by electing people for your cause and changing the laws legally. You dont lead a rebellion killing 10s of thousands of innocent people

You are generally wilfully ignorant on a bunch of stuff but this is outstanding. Google words such as: disenfranchisement and South Africa.

Or you could just throw the whole "go through the courts" shit out and beat yourself with a rock after having started to read from, and around: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separa...ters_Act,_1951

When shit is that fucked you do just start burning stuff because obviously the system is unjust.