How viable is to do Mythic+ without raiding?

[allergisch]

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A friend asked me if it will remain competitive in the mythic+ environment without tier sets or raid trinkets. Thoughts?

[Deleted]

Title.

A friend asked me if it will remain competitive in the mythic+ environment without tier sets or raid trinkets. Thoughts?

set bonus don't work in mythic+

[psyquest]

Title.

A friend asked me if it will remain competitive in the mythic+ environment without tier sets or raid trinkets. Thoughts?

you will be able to keep an ilvl around heroic level without bonus sets. This means that you will not have the same power as a raider in heroic/mythic gear because of no bonus sets/op trinkets but you will be close enough to be able to jump into a raiding guild if you choose to.

in any case it is a way better situation than in the past.

[Ssateneth]

set bonus don't work in mythic+

source? everything points to set bonus do worth in mythic+. its not challenge mode.

[Deleted]

source? everything points to set bonus do worth in mythic+. its not challenge mode.

I was brain-afk thinking about an other game tbh ^^

[psyquest]

set bonus don't work in mythic+

I dont believe there is any blue post regarding limiting raid gear including bonus sets in mythic + .

[SoulSoBreezy]

My knowledge isn't absolute, but there are these sets you can farm for http://www.wowhead.com/item=134533/r...ace&bonus=1795

[Deleted]

on the beta people got the realm first acm for mythic + 15.
you cant get raid gear on the beta.
this was before the legendary vendor got patched in.
so yes: you dont need raid gear to do good.

[Khebul]

on the beta people got the realm first acm for mythic + 15.
you cant get raid gear on the beta.
this was before the legendary vendor got patched in.
so yes: you dont need raid gear to do good.

Realm first was obtained with bug abuse. it allowed you to have as high damage as you wanted. There were legit +12/13 mythics done with 870-880 item level tho (which you can obtain through mythic+)

[Lillpapps]

Before nighthold gets released raiding won't matter at all if you do m+. When nighthold gets released you will want set items and maybe some trinkets. When it comes to ilvl on gear m+ is very competitive with raiding because of war/titanforged.

[Adramelch]

It depends on what you mean by competitive really. Is he going to be able to climb leaderboards and stuff? Most probably not. Is he going to be able to reach a level that rewards the maximum ilvl gear and possibly surpass it? Most probably yes.

[Nize]

For highest level of Mythci dungeon gear, probably not, at least for Emerald Nightmare. M+10 gear (ilvl 865) is the cap for Mythic dungeon gearing. Anything above that still gives you 865 gear. This is similar to heroic gear in Emerald Nightmare. Trinkets in EN aren't necessarily better than dungeon trinkets. It's not like WoD in that regard, thankfully.

For competitive reasons, such as pushing the highest amount of M+ levels, you'll likely need to raid at a Mythic level. EN Mythic gives you 880 gear, which is greater than the highest level of gear you can get from Mythic dungeons. You *do* get one piece of up to 880 gear via a cache for M+, but you'd need luck to really gear you all the way up using that.

Once Nighthold is introduced, the whole game is changed and you'll definitely want the tier gear that drops from there.

[Lillpapps]

It depends on what you mean by competitive really. Is he going to be able to climb leaderboards and stuff? Most probably not. Is he going to be able to reach a level that rewards the maximum ilvl gear and possibly surpass it? Most probably yes.

It's faster to gear in M+ if you are good than in Mythic raiding so competitive with the best.

[Adramelch]

It's faster to gear in M+ if you are good than in Mythic raiding so competitive with the best.

You can only get 1 mythic raid equivalent item per week (the dungeons themselves award up to heroic raid ilvl). Also tier sets and raid trinkets are a huge deal (less so during EM where there are no sets and the trinkets are kinda meh comparatively).

[Nize]

It's faster to gear in M+ if you are good than in Mythic raiding so competitive with the best.

Mythic EN = 880 ilvl gear
Mythic+10 (max for gear) = 865 ilvl gear

Doing M+10 does get you a weekly cache piece of 880 ilvl gear, but that's 1 random piece a week. M+ *IS* faster than gearing through heroic/normal, however.

[Lillpapps]

You can only get 1 mythic raid equivalent item per week (the dungeons themselves award up to heroic raid ilvl). Also tier sets and raid trinkets are a huge deal (less so during EM where there are no sets and the trinkets are kinda meh comparatively).

Mythic EN = 880 ilvl gear
Mythic+10 (max for gear) = 865 ilvl gear

Doing M+10 does get you a weekly cache piece of 880 ilvl gear, but that's 1 random piece a week. M+ *IS* faster than gearing through heroic/normal, however.

Emerald Nightmare have 7 bosses. 5 * 7 = 35 pieces of loot that is to be distributed to 20 members each week. You can run mythic+ endlessly if you switch the 5th member. This means you can run it endlessly for warforged and titanforged gear. Gear that has the potential to be equal or better than mythic raiding gear. M+ is faster than gearing through mythic as well because it can be run potentially endlessly. Even with only having 1 alt each in a group of 5 who manage to clear 10-11-12 you will get 30 items that are distributed between 5 people all with a chance of being war/titanforged.

[Adramelch]

Emerald Nightmare have 7 bosses. 5 * 7 = 35 pieces of loot that is to be distributed to 20 members each week. You can run mythic+ endlessly if you switch the 5th member. This means you can run it endlessly for warforged and titanforged gear. Gear that has the potential to be equal or better than mythic raiding gear. M+ is faster than gearing through mythic as well because it can be run potentially endlessly. Even with only having 1 alt each in a group of 5 who manage to clear 10-11-12 you will get 30 items that are distributed between 5 people all with a chance of being war/titanforged.

You understand that we're talking about mythic raiders that will also be doing mythic+ right (since the question is whether OP's friend will be at a disadvantage against mythic raiders or not)?

[Nize]

Emerald Nightmare have 7 bosses. 5 * 7 = 35 pieces of loot that is to be distributed to 20 members each week. You can run mythic+ endlessly if you switch the 5th member. This means you can run it endlessly for warforged and titanforged gear. Gear that has the potential to be equal or better than mythic raiding gear. M+ is faster than gearing through mythic as well because it can be run potentially endlessly. Even with only having 1 alt each in a group of 5 who manage to clear 10-11-12 you will get 30 items that are distributed between 5 people all with a chance of being war/titanforged.

You require Titanforged for it to even match up to Mythic EN gear. Warforged is only 10 ivls above which still put it below. You'll likely go through many long runs, many alts or friends, to even match up to the amount you listed for Mythic EN. Unrealistic amounts actually. If you're saying that with unlimited time/keys, that still counts as viable, then you can say that heroic dungeon farming for Titanforged gear is also viable.

[Lillpapps]

You understand that we're talking about mythic raiders that will also be doing mythic+ right (since the question is whether OP's friend will be at a disadvantage against mythic raiders or not)?

Yes and you know that time is limited right? The time the mythic raider spends clearing their raid the mythic+ player is clearing dungeons. During a raid the player will get on average 1.75 items per raid. In those 4 hours it takes to clear the raid the m+ group can do 5 clears giving them 5 chances at upgrades which can be shared with personal loot. There's also no guarantee that someone who raids will be as good at dungeons as someone who spends all their time in dungeons.

[Nize]

Yes and you know that time is limited right? The time the mythic raider spends clearing their raid the mythic+ player is clearing dungeons. During a raid the player will get on average 1.75 items per raid. In those 4 hours it takes to clear the raid the m+ group can do 5 clears giving them 5 chances at upgrades which can be shared with personal loot. There's also no guarantee that someone who raids will be as good at dungeons as someone who spends all their time in dungeons.

And what are the odds within those 5 clears that one of them procs +15 ilvls TF to even match up to Mythic EN gear? Fairly low. Very likely that you come out with nothing.