Dev/Blizz/Act silencing Overwatch Players after Summer Games Cont.

[anon5123]

There is no lie. Loot Boxes are not "Summer Games Loot Boxes."

This is not going back in their word. As I stated above, they said loot boxes, not "event" loot boxes.

Please point out where BLIZZARD said that Summer Games loot crates are an entirely different entity than regular loot crates.

The fact that you cannot even get regular loot crates during the event kinda shows that they're considered to be the same thing.

Even if they are considered "different" somehow, that only reinforces the fact that Blizzard suddenly changed the rules for loot crates, without telling anyone beforehand. They went back on their word. Of course people are going to be upset when they were promised something and then that promise suddenly changes with no warning.

[Hobotripin]

Please point out where BLIZZARD said that Summer Games loot crates are an entirely different entity than regular loot crates.

The fact that you cannot even get regular loot crates during the event kinda shows that they're considered to be the same thing.

Are you really that daft? They're similar, in no way are they the same though, therefore you can't apply everything that's applied to a loot box, to a summer loot box.

[Coombs]

Why are people spending hundreds of dollars on a chance to get a freaking skin to begin with? That's insane. I'm not one to tell people how to spend their money but there's no return on buying boxes. It's not like going to casino where you can make your money back.

Which makes it worse lol.

[anon5123]

Are you really that daft? They're similar, in no way are they the same though, therefore you can't apply everything that's applied to a loot box, to a summer loot box.

Answer the question.

Point out where Blizzard said that Summer Loot crates are entirely different loot crates that function by different rules than regular loot crates.

Point out where Blizzard said that the blurb about loot crates on their site only applies to regular loot crates, and not Summer ones. (protip: the fact that they silently changed the description after players pointed it out, says a lot.)

[Hobotripin]

Answer the question.

Point out where Blizzard said that Summer Loot crates are entirely different loot crates that function by different rules than regular loot crates.

Point out where Blizzard said that the blurb about loot crates on their site only applies to regular loot crates, and not Summer ones. (protip: the fact that they silently changed the description after players pointed it out, says a lot.)

No it doesn't it just means they clarified the meaning they wanted to convey. Obviously they are different entities if they specify what loot box they're talking about. It says loot boxes whereas in the summer blog they specify summer loot boxes, they are different entities in game as well as you can buy 2 different types, summer boxes reward things a normal loot box doesn't. It's really simple, idu why you can't grasp it.

[nextormento]

That's a fair point.
Summer loot boxes are not loot boxes.
Organic democracy is not democratic.
Alternative medicine is not medicine.
Social justice is not just.
Intelligent design is un-intelligent.
etc.

[Hobotripin]

The fact that the currency was said to be usable to buy any cosmetic, AND the summer crates can be purchased with $$$ makes it a double kick in the nuts, I have 10k coins I had saved up for the next skin release. People may think it is a nothing problem, but that's just your opinion, which is worse no less or more than mine.

I've uninstalled after it, I bought 50 lootboxes at release for funsies, I don't regret it but I kept the coins and kept saving them up. Whether they always intended for us to be able to buy them or not is irrelevant, because we, as players, HAD NO IDEA AT THE TIME THAT WE COULDN'T.

If you want to defend this move, that's on you, and have fun with it, but for some of us, it's not good enough, and they worded their stance on lootboxes at the start ambiguously enough that we aren't in the wrong either.

They're releasing new skins and emotes purchasable with credits, if 1% of the items aren't purchasable and its still an issue for you, see ya

[Endus]

Answer the question.

Point out where Blizzard said that Summer Loot crates are entirely different loot crates that function by different rules than regular loot crates.

Point out where Blizzard said that the blurb about loot crates on their site only applies to regular loot crates, and not Summer ones. (protip: the fact that they silently changed the description after players pointed it out, says a lot.)

If only you realized that this kind of nitpickery is exactly why your own argument as to the wording is also without merit. By being picky about the name of the loot box in question, we're just following that already-admittedly-silly means of parsing everything incredibly precisely.

And all "changing the blurb" says is that some people (like yourself) were getting the wrong impression, so they changed it to be more clear. It doesn't mean there was any actual policy change in any practical manner.

[Hobotripin]

I rest my case with this

Are you that triggered people disagree with you and provide valid arguments that you can't refute? I don't think you've come up with a single argument on your own, all you have done is copy and paste someone else's argument. Not to mention most arguments you copy are strawmans or contain multiple false statements.

[Nanaboostme]

Are you that triggered people disagree with you and provide valid arguments that you can't refute? I don't think you've come up with a single argument on your own, all you have done is copy and paste someone else's argument. Not to mention most arguments you copy are strawmans or contain multiple false statements.

My, my. Well nice to see you here too Hobotripin. The most infamous poster of all of those threads. I see theres a very personal spite for you with this, but I do admire your tenacity I'll give you that

[Hobotripin]

My nice to see you here too Hobotripin, the most infamous poster of all of the threads. I see theres a very personal spite for you with this, but I do admire your tenacity I'll give you that

I have no personal spite, if anyone has personal spite its you, "oh its Hobo... Hello again, and again, and again, and again,and again #SARCASM also bump

You: dude is also spreading his toxity on other sites like mmochamp" I don't know what toxity is, but if you can't formulate an argument yourself, you really shouldn't be discussing something that affects millions of users. Your movement relies on strawmans and false equivalents, let alone the amount of noncontributing posts in those threads to bump it to the frontpage.

[Nanaboostme]

I have no personal spite, if anyone has personal spite its you, "oh its Hobo... Hello again, and again, and again, and again,and again #SARCASM also bump

You: dude is also spreading his toxity on other sites like mmochamp" I don't know what toxity is, but if you can't formulate an argument yourself, you really shouldn't be discussing something that affects millions of users. Your movement relies on strawmans and false equivalents, let alone the amount of noncontributing posts in those threads to bump it to the frontpage.

Do you realize why all your posts have multiple negative votes? Because all you do is repeat the same thing. "Youre not contributing." There's 13 threads. 500 posts each. You have about 500 posts, 85% of them ending with "please contribute."

You saying that is not contributing at all either mate. All youve been doing is instigating.

[Hobotripin]

Do you realize why all your posts have multiple negative votes? Because all you do is repeat the same thing. "Youre not contributing." There's 13 threads. 500 posts each. You have about 500 posts, 85% of them ending with "please contribute."

You saying that is not contributing at all either mate. All youve been doing is instigating.

Negative votes mean nothing, the fact you're trying to use them in an argument is hilarious. Talk about an Ad Hominen. Your claims are also false but continue undermining your position and providing no arguments yourself.

[Nanaboostme]

Negative votes mean nothing, the fact you're trying to use them in an argument is hilarious. Talk about an Ad Hominen. Your claims are also false but continue undermining your position and providing no arguments yourself.

Yes polls mean nothing either too. We get it buddy, its just one of the reptitive things youve mentioned in what seems to be in a timeless reality now.
If people thought Donald Trump was like a broken reocrd, they don't know we got you.
Trump would only talk about his polls, as compared to you only repeating "plz contribute". But once its against him, then its: "So what? the polls mean nothing."

[Hobotripin]

Yes polls mean nothing either too. We get it buddy, its just one of the reptitive things youve mentioned in what seems to be in a timeless reality now.
If people thought Donald Trump was like a broken reocrd, they don't know we got you.
Trump would only talk about his polls, as compared to you only repeating "plz contribute". But once its against him, then its: "So what? the polls mean nothing."

Those are two completely separate things omg 5 people disagree what ever will I do as if that undermines what I say, unlike you, I have provided different arguments and on my "plz contribute" posts I've added to the discussion as well. I know you're a part of the echo chamber and only like repeating what sounds good to you, but I'd rather hear new arguments that weren't shut down.

[Nanaboostme]

Those are two completely separate things omg 5 people disagree what ever will I do as if that undermines what I say, unlike you, I have provided different arguments and on my "plz contribute" posts I've added to the discussion as well. I know you're a part of the echo chamber and only like repeating what sounds good to you, but I'd rather hear new arguments that weren't shut down.

5 people lol...
Look at every thread on that subject in general, not just from your replies. There are not only 5 people looking at the thread when it reaches over 500 posts a day. Look at it from ALL PERSPECTIVE. ALL ASPECTS. ALL FACTORS.




From another person that you need to read: It's worded much more gently for your threshold:

There have been people who were okay with the loot system alteration when it was announced and did participate by playing more hours than they normally would have done in order to get something(s) in the event. However, as the event is drawing to a close and they find themselves not getting the loot that they want the fun is draining away from the participation - the game no longer becomes a game, more of a grind. They start to get frustrated with a progression system that they feel is set up against them and they have no way to work around it with the effort they have put in. Some of them did cave in and bought loot boxes to hopefully get the boost they needed for the loot they wanted - and when that didn't work it made them even more upset or tired or angry (most of the time a combination). Several have also expressed a desire to stop playing because the event had changed the nature of the game for them - rather than being simply a game it has turned into a threadmill for loot that they can never reach. And we are not talking about small investments either - some of these players have put in over 50+ levels of grinding and a 100+ boxes.

These are people who trusted in the event and did participate with negative results. They also typically did not begin with a negative reception to the event, unlike some of us critics, but came to a similar conclusion once they were exposed long enough to the altered system. Blizzard, this how you can be bleeding customers with this new system. Even those who partook of your event in good faith can be burnt out playing the RNG roulette, please note.

Let me also at this point mention that there also have been a good number of people who walked away with a good impression of the event, loot-wise. Generally, they have been people who got either all they wanted, or enough of what they wanted and it satisfied them. I would place myself in this category so I have no personal grief with the loot I got (though of course I am clearly a critic of the system - they are not mutually exclusive stances).

But here is the thing - people generally can only keep a positive impression of their loot drops as long as RNG is in their favor, and it is possible that in the next event if you were to carry on this, these same positive people can end up being in the negative category the next round. This was a possibility speculated by the critics and it is coming to a fruition - Blizzard, this will slowly decrease your player base, even if the profits are still coming in.

We have seen people getting burnt out by the RNG system already. The bad news is this burnout is going to become more and more likely to occur because of how the loot system expands.

In general, most players who are interested in the loot are only interested in certain parts of the loot system – skins being the most popular. They could be interested in items for characters they play, items that look cool, items for ONE character, etc. But I have yet to meet someone (if they exist) who likes ALL the loot or even most of it. What this means is that in general, the loot system is full of filler stuff for most people (voice lines and sprays being the most cited).

Let us look at the base content and compare the number of sprays and voice lines to the number of Skins, Highlights and Victory Poses. Also take note that the rarer items are only relegated to Skins, Highlights and Victory Poses. You don’t really need to do an in-depth analysis to see that the system is definitely set up so that you end up with more of the filler than not. Let us now look at the summer content – out of the 90+ items, what is filler vs what is not? While it is clear that it is more favorable than the base content it is also clear that the system will still generally give you more filler than otherwise. Also remember that you only get a guaranteed one summer item per box (from feedback so far this is by far the most common case) though it is possible to get up to 4 in a box. This will drop your odds even further. Currently in the PTR people mentioned that taunts are a new type of loot drop as well? This can potentially increase the size of the filler pool for most players.

Focusing on the Summer games event, if it returns next year with increased content (that is likely to contain more filler than not based on past precedence) then trying to get that one D’Va or Mercy skin is going to become that much harder. This is assuming that events will be the only one affected by currency restrictions. Remember my previous post talking about player burnout?

This means that as more and more of the event gets repeated, the more and more likely this burnout is going to occur to players – simply due to the loot system getting more and more clunky with filler. Adding new content doesn’t make the RNG better, it makes it WORSE, simple math. Also note the fact that the more items you accumulate from the events, the more likely you will run into duplicates which from the feedback so far is said to be frustrating to deal with as the currency is locked out of the event(s) which can add to the burnout sensation.

This will compound the issue I talked about previously. Blizzard, please take note.

One last point I will also like to make that is rarely discussed but is important to OW fans who want to game to grow – we need this game to be appealing to new players as well.

The progression system as is, even if the events allow for currency and is not time-sensitive, is only going to get harder and harder to work on as filler clunks up the drops. Currency was the best workaround – at some point, sink enough hours/money into the game and you will definitely be able to get what you want. And currency will have to be used more and more often to work around RNG when more and more filler come in, especially for newer players. People who started playing from launch or the beginning won’t have a big issue with this (dependent on time committed of course) but for newer players? Phew, that mountain they will have to climb to get the cosmetics they want. Imagine coming into OW 2 years from now. Think about how daunting the amount of loot you will have to fight RNG for the items you want. It’s pretty horrid. At some point Blizzard will have to rethink their MT system if they want to ease new players in further down the road.

Simply put, this is a terrible progression system for enticing new players down the road as the odds get worse for them over time. That is a separate topic, but in relation to these type of events – it is making things worse. They already have to wrestle harder with base content loot and with the increasingly worse odds for these yearly events this will be harsher for them.

Blizzard, this is not a viable long-term strategy for attracting new customers. Please consider this.

[Endus]

The progression system as is, even if the events allow for currency and is not time-sensitive, is only going to get harder and harder to work on as filler clunks up the drops. Currency was the best workaround – at some point, sink enough hours/money into the game and you will definitely be able to get what you want. And currency will have to be used more and more often to work around RNG when more and more filler come in, especially for newer players. People who started playing from launch or the beginning won’t have a big issue with this (dependent on time committed of course) but for newer players? Phew, that mountain they will have to climb to get the cosmetics they want. Imagine coming into OW 2 years from now. Think about how daunting the amount of loot you will have to fight RNG for the items you want. It’s pretty horrid. At some point Blizzard will have to rethink their MT system if they want to ease new players in further down the road.

This guy's arguments are a factual misrepresentation of how things actually work, already.

The only items thus far not available for currency are either special-edition/pre-order awards, or event-specific rewards. The new Ana content was all available for currency at launch. So acting as if ALL new content will only be available randomly is just flat-out incorrect; this is ONE type of content, event-specific stuff. This is comparable to event stuff in WoW, which is similarly unavailable to be earned outside of that event in-game. If you started playing WoW today, there's a bunch of event cosmetics and rewards you won't have a chance to earn for nearly a year, and which aren't guaranteed when they DO come around.

And nobody had an issue with that at any point.

The event stuff also doesn't represent a snowballing increase to the mountain of cosmetics in the RNG pool. There's one event active at a time. That's one additional pool, that goes away at the end of the event. So when the next event appears, it's another additional pool, which also goes away. There won't be any staggering increase in RNG hell to get the items you want, because of each additional layer of these items adding together.

If you want particular event items, yes, you'll need to get lucky, but so what? That's not a bad thing, automatically. People are acting as if it's somehow obvious that this is bad, and it's a premise that has never been justified. There's nothing "wrong" with not being able to get the cosmetic you want right off. That desire to get that cosmetic encourages you to play, to get more boxes, to try and earn it. That's still totally a valid option.


In short; the odds won't get "increasingly worse" with events like this. There's one event on at a time, with a set pool of items. There's a guaranteed Summer Loot drop in the loot box. The odds stay the same, whether you're in Summer Event 2016 today, or Summer Event 2020 in 4 more years. Because there's still that same pool of items, and just the Summer Event on. And if they DID run multiple events, they'd have an option to pick which lootbox you want; if you want Summer Olympics items, you pick the Summer Loot Box. If you want the other event, you pick THAT loot box. It's an argument that's just wrong.

[Hobotripin]

It's amazing he still continues to use other people's arguments and even they get proven wrong.

[MrHappy]

Literally nobody thinks that.

Love how half the people here are seemingly purposefully misunderstanding the situation just to insult others.

This isn't about the skins themselves, it's about Blizzard going back on their word about currency being able to purchase any cosmetic.

You can buy all cosmetics except seasonal. This is so people look forward to and participate in other seasonal things. Unless Blizz decided to make current skins sold for real money i don't see how they went back on their word...so the only conclusion as to why people are upset is so they can't get their summer stuff in December when they finally got the coins. People WANT the seasonal stuff NOW not rely on RNG over several seasons to unlock them or buy seasonal crates.

[micwini]

This is a bigger deal than people think. In a year or so, new heroes and maps will cost money as well. This is just the start of it and it's the reason why people are dissapointed and/or angry.