German flag @ olympic games

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The amount of cucks triggered over that is certainly amusing.

0/10, do better next time.

[cFortyfive]

0/10, do better next time.

Are you too triggered to come up with something ?

[Tyrianth]

*GASP* A person being proud of multiple countries?!

[Noradin]

The current flag is the actual flag used by the German Confederation. You can't change it more back than this.

You could use this one



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There is a difference between forced assimilation and encouraged assimilation. They can, as Jews did/do, live in secluded clusters but they should be aware of the problems that it inherently brings. And no, I am not talking about justifying any kind of anti-semitism.

You aren't speaking about the Jews in Germany prior to the two world wars, are you?
Because they didn't live in secluded clusters. It didn't help them any, to the contrary. In reaction to that and what they experienced in other countries during the same time they now live in secluded clusters.

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Btw, this symbol exists way back to the aztec empire times:

Not that long, then.

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It's considered very disrespectful to the flag.

Does the flag have feelings now?

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It represents whatever you want it to represent. There is no inherent meaning in a flag.

There is, because the inherent meaning (aka what you want it to represent) is what turns it from a piece of cloth into a flag.
Thus, this piece of cloth is not an official flag and cannot be disrespectful as such.

If someone went to some official flag at an official flagpole that represented someone else and drew something on it, then that would be disrespectful.

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Cause that's Europe.
My town was part of at least five different countries since it was founded.

Must be pretty young then

[Ealyssa]

*GASP* A person being proud of multiple countries?!

Yes^^

And all the mmo-c racists claiming how it's disrespectful to Germany. Nobody actually thinking that it may be disrespectful to Turkey ?
A mmo-c classic...

[Noradin]

If not for the centuries of imperialism that forcibly drilled the minute differences between European nations into everyone's head, the notion that Europe is a diverse continent would be absurd. So called "native" Europeans all look pretty much the same, follow the same religion, and speak a related family of languages. The fact that some Europeans prefer wine and cheese while others like beer and sausage is really insignficant next to the dazzling variety of cultures that exist, and co-exist, in the rest of the world.

And yet you can more often than not tell from which part of Europe the come from by just looking at them.

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In america our culture tends to be "a bit of this and that" Like the entire art, food, and even architecture of the south west is completely different because it was influenced by Mexicans, part of their culture was simply completely borrowed by America. America borrows tons of other cultures and just melds it into it's own distinct culture. They adapt to that, but the adaption is more a merging.

And such is the case for ever single European country and has been for centuries.
You're just being ingnorant.

[Knolan]

Funny to see so many progressives dismissing this flag for being "just a flag" when last year they were saying that the Confederate Flags was the evil of the world.

I am now waiting for someone with a Nazi Germani flag in a Anti-Merkel protest or a KKK flag in a trump rally to see how they will change their minds again.

[Noradin]

There's an old nursery rhyme that goes: "The lion and the unicorn fought all around the town. / The lion beat the unicorn all around the town." Take a wild guess why the Scottish unicorn is on the sinister side.

Keep in mind that this is an English (childrens) rhyme and its cannot just be applied to continental heraldic (if it can be applied anywhere at all).
In England they might have a special meaning and are granted by the king or queen, but in most other countires they are just some aesthetic accessory without any deeper meaning.

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The USA went through a bloody war to rip itself apart from the UK.... they are TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME COUNTRY.

Are you sure? I cannot seem to detect any difference. Both of them speak peculiar English and cannot be understood by normal people.

[May90]

There is, because the inherent meaning (aka what you want it to represent) is what turns it from a piece of cloth into a flag.
Thus, this piece of cloth is not an official flag and cannot be disrespectful as such.

If someone went to some official flag at an official flagpole that represented someone else and drew something on it, then that would be disrespectful.

Swastika has had a crazy amount of different meanings throughout the history, and it even has multiple actively used meanings nowadays. For me in my childhood, when I didn't know those meanings, Swastika just meant a symbol of a peculiar form, fun to draw.

What is the "inherent" meaning of Swastika? There is none! It purely depends on the subjective perception by a given person.

Same way, to you German flag can mean something symbolizing Germany, but to me it is just a piece of cloth with 3 colored lines. Same goes for any other flag. I actually liked Libyan flag during Gaddafi's regime, as it was the most efficient flag ever.

[Reeve]

Yup, not the German flag. Nothing to see here.

[Cyberowl]

Funny to see so many progressives dismissing this flag for being "just a flag" when last year they were saying that the Confederate Flags was the evil of the world.

I am now waiting for someone with a Nazi Germani flag in a Anti-Merkel protest or a KKK flag in a trump rally to see how they will change their minds again.

Well, even if you abandon that argument, a flag that actually doesn't exist and the Confederate flag can't even be compared.

[Damajin]

Swastika has had a crazy amount of different meanings throughout the history, and it even has multiple actively used meanings nowadays. For me in my childhood, when I didn't know those meanings, Swastika just meant a symbol of a peculiar form, fun to draw.

What is the "inherent" meaning of Swastika? There is none! It purely depends on the subjective perception by a given person.

Same way, to you German flag can mean something symbolizing Germany, but to me it is just a piece of cloth with 3 colored lines. Same goes for any other flag. I actually liked Libyan flag during Gaddafi's regime, as it was the most efficient flag ever.

There are definite inherent meanings of the Swastika, any subjective ones are transplanted over longstanding cultural and religious meanings that are for all intents and purposes the objectively inherent meanings. This is why the direction the spokes face actually matters, this is why the presence of curved or straight lined spokes matter.

Symbols take on objective meanings once they become institutional, which is through cultural religious political or other means. What the random uninformed person sees a symbol as is ultimately reflective of nothing but themselves but their lack of knowledge regarding any longstanding meaning doesn't negate the premise that it does in fact have a specific objective meaning(s). Your viewpoint is valid only in a world of no institutions, cultures or similar.

[May90]

There are definite inherent meanings of the Swastika, any subjective ones are transplanted over longstanding cultural and religious meanings that are for all intents and purposes the objectively inherent meanings. This is why the direction the spokes face actually matters, this is why the presence of curved or straight lined spokes matter.

Symbols take on objective meanings once they become institutional, which is through cultural religious political or other means. What the random uninformed person sees a symbol as is ultimately reflective of nothing but themselves but their lack of knowledge regarding any longstanding meaning doesn't negate the premise that it does in fact have a specific objective meaning(s). Your viewpoint is valid only in a world of no institutions, cultures or similar.

Yes, but an individual's behavior doesn't have to be dictated by institutions. I don't care what institutionally American flag or American national anthem means, to me they are just a piece of cloth and a song. Doesn't mean I ignore what it means to other people, I simply do not accept the same meaning.

It is like this with everything in life. Something that is very important for some people, is meaningless for others.

[endlesswaltz]

I fail to see how I am the one to get his panties into a twist. I don't do this because I'm offended, I do this because I like to rub someones own arguments into their faces.

I lol'd at the immense amount of pathetic in you.

[Knolan]

Well, even if you abandon that argument, a flag that actually doesn't exist and the Confederate flag can't even be compared.

Sorry, but I didn't follow the logic, the flag being "official" makes a difference?

For me it is quite simple, if you complain about a flag you are stupid, but if you have done it and then you complain when others do it too, you are a hypocrite as well.

[Cyberowl]

I lol'd at the immense amount of pathetic in you.

Aww, need a hug?

Sorry, but I didn't follow the logic, the flag being "official" makes a difference?

For me it is quite simple, if you complain about a flag you are stupid, but if you have done it and then you complain when others do it too, you are a hypocrite as well.

No, the fantasy flag has no history or meaning, the Confederate flag represents a movement. Easy as that.

[Damajin]

Yes, but an individual's behavior doesn't have to be dictated by institutions. I don't care what institutionally American flag or American national anthem means, to me they are just a piece of cloth and a song. Doesn't mean I ignore what it means to other people, I simply do not accept the same meaning.

It is like this with everything in life. Something that is very important for some people, is meaningless for others.

No they don't, but when you're looking at symbolism the objective and longstanding meanings are at the least starter points for understanding and learning the what and why of a thing. People are for the most part free to deviate from there, but not to pretend their deviation is the meaning that objectively matters. You flat out say there is no inherent meaning to the Swastika, or by extension any other symbol which is flat out wrong. You and anyone else are free to ignore those meanings in your own mind and expressions but when it's brought up objectively under the criterias I mentioned (cultural religious political etc) you have to acknowledge it as such or you really just look outright deluded.

Symbols have always had very definite and often longstanding meanings for the entirety of mankinds' existence, and that's not ever going to change.

[endlesswaltz]

Aww, need a hug?

i don't think im the one that needs one lol

[Mayhem]

Symbols have always had very definite and often longstanding meanings for the entirety of mankinds' existence, and that's not ever going to change.

That´s actually why they were created in the first place. Did May argue against this? ^^

[May90]

No they don't, but when you're looking at symbolism the objective and longstanding meanings are at the least starter points for understanding and learning the what and why of a thing. People are for the most part free to deviate from there, but not to pretend their deviation is the meaning that objectively matters. You flat out say there is no inherent meaning to the Swastika, or by extension any other symbol which is flat out wrong. You and anyone else are free to ignore those meanings in your own mind and expressions but when it's brought up objectively under the criterias I mentioned (cultural religious political etc) you have to acknowledge it as such or you really just look outright deluded.

Symbols have always had very definite and often longstanding meanings for the entirety of mankinds' existence, and that's not ever going to change.

There is no inherent meaning to Swastika, because inherent meaning is something that doesn't depend on the context and depends only on the object/symbol. We tend to see Swastika as a symbol of nazism, for apparent reasons, but it means something else in Catholicism, for example. There is meaning that we have assigned to it, and this meaning can be very widespread and accepted - but it still is a subjective meaning, that can always change with time. Inherent properties of objects, however, can't be changed without changing the object itself.

I can be aware what a certain symbol means to some people and why, but I don't have to accept that meaning myself.