Dalaran sewer is the most annoying thing I found in legion.

[rhorle]

There better be a viable alternative to finding sightless eyes not involving PvP.

There already is. So you have no problem with the current system despite length posts saying the system is flawed.

[Shadowferal]

Making it an issue of patience, not PvP. If the eyes only dropped during a random 5 min interval, with you not being able to farm at all otherwise, you'd complain about the lock out, not PvP. Your argument is actually 'I want it now', not 'damn PvP barrier'...

No.
There are two play-style choices; PvE and PvP. I made my choice long ago. No one gets to change that for any reason.
How long ago was it that entering a BG with PvE gear on was a no-no? Now of course things change. We now have legit griefers that simply want to kill inexperienced players that have no interest in PvP.
This was the last straw of several...On the WoW forums it looks to be 20:1 against this idiocy.

I can't even conceive what the rationale behind this shit could be. If the guards worked well enough...consistently, then that negates PvP...ok. Why not simply it to the default unflagged instead? Cuts out the middle-man (the guard). Oh...but if the choice is given on a PvE server...then of course most will likely never flag themselves. Thus a PvP area becomes nothing more than a massed dueling area...which is nearly what Dalaran Sewers were anyway..

So the rationale is likely not going to make any sense no matter how they perfume it, it's going to stink anyway.

[Felya]

If you're not good at PvP don't enter a PvP zone...not rocket science.

I disagree here... The sort of PvP that happens in sewers, requires no PvP skill. It's random chaos... In fact, if you are terrible at PvP, but want to smack others around a bit, then this is the place to go.

[Vorkreist]

I made my choice long ago. No one gets to change that for any reason.

Blizzard just did. Deal it with.

[Felya]

No.
There are two play-style choices; PvE and PvP. I made my choice long ago. No one gets to change that for any reason.

If the paradigm changed away from PvP, while maintaining the same timing, you would still have this issue. Meaning that PvP has nothing to do with your issue. If PvP was removed, but the amount of eyes needed increased to match your current rate, your issue would remain. Your complaint has nothing to do with PvP. The only reason you bring it up, is it's a far easier target of sympathy, then being honest with your self and just saying 'I want it now'.

How long ago was it that entering a BG with PvE gear on was a no-no? Now of course things change. We now have legit griefers that simply want to kill inexperienced players that have no interest in PvP.
This was the last straw of several...On the WoW forums it looks to be 20:1 against this idiocy.

None of this has anything to do with PvP gear or anything if the sort. The area is filled with people below level 110, who are there just for the fun chaos. The more you talk about sewers, the less I believe you ever stepped foot there.

I can't even conceive what the rationale behind this shit could be. If the guards worked well enough...consistently, then that negates PvP...ok. Why not simply it to the default unflagged instead? Cuts out the middle-man (the guard). Oh...but if the choice is given on a PvE server...then of course most will likely never flag themselves. Thus a PvP area becomes nothing more than a massed dueling area...which is nearly what Dalaran Sewers were anyway..

Because people go there for the fun, not just to collect quests and eyes. You have options to avoid it, that center on simply waiting. The stop and go of the bodyguards adds fun to the point of a chaotic PvP free for all. It makes it more fun, like being a giant and doing 3 times damage and health. This is not a competitive PvP zone...

So the rationale is likely not going to make any sense no matter how they perfume it, it's going to stink anyway.

Depends on how highly you rate fun, versus your ability to get eyes ASAP...

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Blizzard just did. Deal it with.

They didn't even....

[Gratlim]

Got the Ratstalion mount already. I will never put a foot there again. Too many players to enjoy the pvp aspect of it.

[Deleted]

It does not make someone a pussy if they choose to play on a PvE realm, or avoid what is going to be near slideshow experience for many.
There are reasons to be there other than PvP.

As a new idea it has merits, but as a new idea I think it still has issues.

D'oh come on ComputerNerd even you fell for it? I wasn't being serious, such is the horror of text based media. I've used it plenty of times myself because I was getting crazy of not being able to do anything because of the AOE and lag. I just wanted to point out that there's a way to evade it, because the way people talked on the first page it seemed like they weren't aware of it. Halfway I decided that "If you're a pussy" would be a good way to emulate a ganking dick. I'll never do it again daddy

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I actually pay for the guard not because I don't like PvP - I don't mind it in most situations. I pay it because I lag out so badly in the Underbelly when there's a large number of people in there that I literally die before I can see who is killing me. And that, my friend, is simply not enjoyable.

Oh yeah I agree

[Dequanacus]

No.
There are two play-style choices; PvE and PvP. I made my choice long ago. No one gets to change that for any reason.
How long ago was it that entering a BG with PvE gear on was a no-no? Now of course things change. We now have legit griefers that simply want to kill inexperienced players that have no interest in PvP.
This was the last straw of several...On the WoW forums it looks to be 20:1 against this idiocy.

I can't even conceive what the rationale behind this shit could be. If the guards worked well enough...consistently, then that negates PvP...ok. Why not simply it to the default unflagged instead? Cuts out the middle-man (the guard). Oh...but if the choice is given on a PvE server...then of course most will likely never flag themselves. Thus a PvP area becomes nothing more than a massed dueling area...which is nearly what Dalaran Sewers were anyway..

So the rationale is likely not going to make any sense no matter how they perfume it, it's going to stink anyway.

Well you've already ignored several others pointing out that the consistency you reference to is a misunderstanding on your part. You also ignored my point that you greatly exaggerate the difficulty in getting eyes and furthermore, you're now relying on what is a non issue as your argument in this post is "well you can entirely ignore the pvp but it's still stupid".

Also, the constant ellipses are tiring. This isn't 2005 and I assume you are older than 13. No need to post like you're on Myspace talking about how much you hate your parents.

[Daan]

Dalaran sewer has the most annoying lags ever.

[ComputerNerd]

D'oh come on ComputerNerd even you fell for it? I wasn't being serious, such is the horror of text based media. I've used it plenty of times myself because I was getting crazy of not being able to do anything because of the AOE and lag. I just wanted to point out that there's a way to evade it, because the way people talked on the first page it seemed like they weren't aware of it. Halfway I decided that "If you're a pussy" would be a good way to emulate a ganking dick. I'll never do it again daddy

A lot of people do genuinely think like that, that anyone not actively seeking PvP is a coward.
Ironically given how a lot of what is claimed to be PvP is avoiding the versus component which defines that.
Just look at the threads about PvP realms.

[tumppu]

Just make the delay between "guards taking a break" and FFA flagging into 30sec or something and it's fine.

As for the heroes claiming people are "cowards" for avoiding pvp - you know what? I transferred to a pve realm for a reason, after playing on a pvp one for 2 years. Any time the pvp content forces me to scrape by pvp, I get agitated, considering I spent actual money to get away from it.

[Torais]

Really not sure why this is a discussion. You have three very simple options

1) Partake in the PvP.
2) Pay the carebear tax.
3) Leave.

If you don't like what is on offer, simply do not go there.

No.
There are two play-style choices; PvE and PvP. I made my choice long ago. No one gets to change that for any reason.
How long ago was it that entering a BG with PvE gear on was a no-no? Now of course things change. We now have legit griefers that simply want to kill inexperienced players that have no interest in PvP.
This was the last straw of several...On the WoW forums it looks to be 20:1 against this idiocy.

I can't even conceive what the rationale behind this shit could be. If the guards worked well enough...consistently, then that negates PvP...ok. Why not simply it to the default unflagged instead? Cuts out the middle-man (the guard). Oh...but if the choice is given on a PvE server...then of course most will likely never flag themselves. Thus a PvP area becomes nothing more than a massed dueling area...which is nearly what Dalaran Sewers were anyway..

So the rationale is likely not going to make any sense no matter how they perfume it, it's going to stink anyway.

The PvE player entitlement is real.

Why the hell do you go to a PvP zone and expect not to PvP? That would be like me going to your Random Dragon #842 raid and complain there is a boss instead of a BG to fight.

[TirielWoW]

Oh yeah I agree

K. Just making sure. I am an admitted carebear - I don't initiate PvP out in the world (I'm on a PvP server), but I'm fully prepared to engage in it if attacked.

I'm kinda vindictive. :|

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The PvE player entitlement is real.

Why the hell do you go to a PvP zone and expect not to PvP? That would be like me going to your Random Dragon #842 raid and complain there is a boss instead of a BG to fight.

In fairness, several profession quests require you to go down there, and I know that one vendor there had several patterns for my professions that I needed to get. So I kinda had to go there even tho I wasn't interested in PvPing with anyone.

[Torais]

In fairness, several profession quests require you to go down there, and I know that one vendor there had several patterns for my professions that I needed to get. So I kinda had to go there even tho I wasn't interested in PvPing with anyone.

The solution to which can be yours for the princely sum of 5 gold.

[rebecca191]

Why the hell do you go to a PvP zone and expect not to PvP? That would be like me going to your Random Dragon #842 raid and complain there is a boss instead of a BG to fight.

Because there are non PvP quests down there required to advance professions. I have a feeling people wouldn't be arguing over this if those quests were not down there. I avoided the place like the plague on the beta and I will continue to avoid it when I buy Legion later on. PvP isn't my thing and I purposely transferred off the PvP server I was on when I quit hardcore raiding, since the guild was the only reason I was on a PvP server to begin with. Also, the BMAH is down there as well.

[TirielWoW]

The solution to which can be yours for the princely sum of 5 gold.

Hey, I pay for the guard since I lag out horribly down there. I'm just explaining why PvE players are in a PvP zone unwillingly.

[Dequanacus]

Because there are non PvP quests down there required to advance professions. I have a feeling people wouldn't be arguing over this if those quests were not down there. I avoided the place like the plague on the beta and I will continue to avoid it when I buy Legion later on. PvP isn't my thing and I purposely transferred off the PvP server I was on when I quit hardcore raiding, since the guild was the only reason I was on a PvP server to begin with. Also, the BMAH is down there as well.

Why would anyone bother making a post complaining about it if they only wished to be down there for a profession quest? Is paying 5 gold really worth all this crying? It goes much further than profession quests to warrant all this attention.

[rebecca191]

Why would anyone bother making a post complaining about it if they only wished to be down there for a profession quest? Is paying 5 gold really worth all this crying? It goes much further than profession quests to warrant all this attention.

There's also the BMAH and the guard, if it doesn't bug out, only lasts 5 minutes. I think it should last longer.

[darklogrus]

Why would anyone bother making a post complaining about it if they only wished to be down there for a profession quest? Is paying 5 gold really worth all this crying? It goes much further than profession quests to warrant all this attention.

I payed the 5g and I got 5 feet into the sewer and he ran off twice...

[Deleted]

Really not sure why this is a discussion. You have three very simple options

1) Partake in the PvP.
2) Pay the carebear tax.
3) Leave.

If you don't like what is on offer, simply do not go there.
The PvE player entitlement is real.

Why the hell do you go to a PvP zone and expect not to PvP? That would be like me going to your Random Dragon #842 raid and complain there is a boss instead of a BG to fight.

The solution to which can be yours for the princely sum of 5 gold.

Clear evidence of someone not actually reading the thread to find out the issue.

The PVP area is fine. It's Blizzard placing some PVE content down there. We couldn't care less if PVP happened down there. The whole eyes stuff is also fine, stuff you have to PVP in order to earn has been around for ages but as far as I recall they haven't placed a step of a profession chain within a PVP area before have they?

Additionally repeatedly stated through out the thread is that the "carebear tax" doesn't work. We're not sure if it's bugged or intended but your bodyguard walks away with the bribed guards so you could employ it and watch it walk away seconds later.

Why would anyone bother making a post complaining about it if they only wished to be down there for a profession quest? Is paying 5 gold really worth all this crying? It goes much further than profession quests to warrant all this attention.

Another late to the party, missed all the fun. I would pay 100g if it meant I could walk down there and not get flagged.

There's also the BMAH and the guard, if it doesn't bug out, only lasts 5 minutes. I think it should last longer.

I payed the 5g and I got 5 feet into the sewer and he ran off twice...

And there are two examples you don't have to go back to read.