Barack Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a w@#$e'

[Independent voter]

Said Duterte after throwing an empty bottle of San Miguel at Obama.

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Bearing in mind that drug production and availability/distribution is extremely high in that country this is at best an interesting horror story.
The government, military and police are unable to police the drug production and distribution in any form whatsoever. They can't stop it through legal means which is completely fine if their people weren't seeing people die or become complete wasters from taking these easy cheap drugs.
This drives a lot of people to want and need a solution, the first solution the first world produced was education and it has largely worked, we have low unemployment and little reason to be pushed into the drug business while those that do can be discovered because our police are well educated with effective tools.
The second option is aggressive control but when you have most of your population reliant on the drug trade either as a fix or for money they wouldn't otherwise get you have a serious problem.
The third option is what is happening now, practically genocide of the drug industry starting from the bottom. Drug users, drug dealers. The plan will work but it's a bloody horror show until then and for how long will it continue and how many innocent lives get killed by mistake

[TrumpIsPresident]

So gun walking operations started under Bush. Got it. Yet some how Obama is to blame.

If that's the scapegoat you want to use then I guess I cant stop you.

Project Gunrunner's original mandate was not to supply cartels with guns it was to track straw purchases.

Yes, the Bush era OCDETF body approved (through indirect AG authorization) of the first gun-walking scheme.

A scheme which the Obama administration investigated and deemed inappropriate only to then use it themselves a few years later.

Difference was the Obama era gun-walking scheme was done with direct knowledge and approval of the President and the AG whereas the Bush era one was done out of inter-agency self-approval.

And of course ...there's the deaths as a result of the Fast and Furious operation ...but ya know we'll overlook that.

But to most politically divisive people there is no right and wrong, there is only "the other guy did it so if we do too then we cant be blamed".

Supplying guns to terrorists and drug cartels is WRONG.

It was WRONG when the people working under the Bush administration did it.

It was WRONG when Obama and Holder did it.

The blame can rest upon Obama/Holder's heads because they knew it was wrong since they tried to indict people over its first execution and because they knew it was happening under their watch because they directly approved the operation.

I was actually living in Texas, red state red county, during when word about Operation Wide Receiver hit the news and everybody was pissed off about it because we knew the dangers of the open border and the ruthless murderous cartels that cross it on a daily basis to deliver their poisons.

We didn't support it and we certainly didn't try to come up with ways to defend it because of some fetish level loyalty to "Team Republican".

You can only say the same thing about half the country when it came to Operation Fast and Furious.

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The best end scenario the president is hoping to achieve is to force his people to stop thinking they can deal drugs for a living and make them find work in other ways - start a business for example - will it work? It hasn't been done in a very long time, i think it will and I'm extremely conflicted on whether it's worth it. As an armchair warrior it's worth it logically, as a human being it's appalling and shouldn't even be considered

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Barack Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore'


The dude sounds like a retard. What do you guys think?

Philippines really pissing on their only defender. Gonna work out great for them, I'm sure.

[CellarDoor]

In a different time the US would have dissolved Filipino army by now, but now we'll just watch as he destroys his own country.

He has a 90% approval rating. His people love him. I know it's hard for liberals to understand that strongmen are more effective in certain countries in certain situations (Read: Syria).

[JohnBrown1917]

He has a 90% approval rating. His people love him. I know it's hard for liberals to understand that strongmen are more effective in certain countries in certain situations (Read: Syria).

You have to be a liberal now to think killing drug addicts(without trail, even) is morally wrong?

[Nitro Fun]

You have to be a liberal now to think killing drug addicts(without trail, even) is morally wrong?

You're aware that morality differs wildly from country to country and person to person, right? Arguing about morality is pretty useless most of the time and you should go by the harm principle instead.

[Garnier Fructis]

He has a 90% approval rating. His people love him. I know it's hard for liberals to understand that strongmen are more effective in certain countries in certain situations (Read: Syria).

The objection isn't to the efficiency, but to the fact that you're going to have way more collateral damage (in the form of innocents killed by mistake) when you let vigilantism run wild. The extra-judicial nature of it all is just icing on the cake.

People who think this is fine all share one common trait: they don't think they'll be killed by accident (if they live there) or they aren't in harms way (outside the country), so they don't care.

[CellarDoor]

You have to be a liberal now to think killing drug addicts(without trail, even) is morally wrong?

It is the only method that works. The phillipines is not a fully westernized society that can simply afford to legalize all drugs, which is the ONLY example the west has to offer in solving illegal drug problems to the rest of the world. The rest of the world is doing it oldschool now. Morality be damned, living in the phillipines right now is still better than anywhere else in the world for most of history. .00026666 percent of the population has been killed in this "brutal war." It's literally nothing.

[Nazrark]

As bad as it seems. He's doing what needs to be done. There has been so much corruption involving drugs and gangs in that country. All the previous administrations top cops have been tied to accepting bribes to look the other way from cartels. The people of Phillipines had enough and voted for someone who said he would clean the country up. Like it or not, he is doing it.

I've worked with plenty of Filipinos who all support what he's doing.

The cartels bombed a market because of what he is doing.

[Mihalik]

As bad as it seems. He's doing what needs to be done. There has been so much corruption involving drugs and gangs in that country. All the previous administrations top cops have been tied to accepting bribes to look the other way from cartels. The people of Phillipines had enough and voted for someone who said he would clean the country up. Like it or not, he is doing it.

I've worked with plenty of Filipinos who all support what he's doing.

The cartels bombed a market because of what he is doing.

"The end justifies the means" has been the excuse of every pathetic movie villain and morally inconsistent asshole ever. It's a pathetic excuse that won't hold up to even the most basic intellectual scrutiny.

Also...You do know that the Vox Populi can be profoundly stupid, self destructive and misguided, and we have more historical examples that we should ever need. Mob rule has never lead to anything productive.

[JohnBrown1917]

You're aware that morality differs wildly from country to country and person to person, right? Arguing about morality is pretty useless most of the time and you should go by the harm principle instead.

Where did sat everybody shares my morals?

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It is the only method that works. The phillipines is not a fully westernized society that can simply afford to legalize all drugs, which is the ONLY example the west has to offer in solving illegal drug problems to the rest of the world. The rest of the world is doing it oldschool now. Morality be damned, living in the phillipines right now is still better than anywhere else in the world for most of history. .00026666 percent of the population has been killed in this "brutal war." It's literally nothing.

Good for you. But it does not mean I have to think its a good thing.

[Deathcries]

Philippines really pissing on their only defender. Gonna work out great for them, I'm sure.

As an American I agree with the Philippine President. Fuck Obama, and the socialists that support him.

[phitness]

So basically Obama shows that he's a child that will only have talks with people who bow down and suck his dick. I dont agree with the Philippines pres on his drug war but I totally applaud him for telling Obama and anyone else that wants to tell him and his people how to run their country to go fuck themselves. If Obama was a quality pres(and make no mistake he will go down as one of the worst ever who has instigated and supported a whole new race war as well as allowing the criminals who ruined the world economy to keep their billions with no repercussions) he would suck it up and be a man and still meet with the guy to discuss his objectives whether or not Duerte would agree to them.

[Spectral]

"The end justifies the means" has been the excuse of every pathetic movie villain and morally inconsistent asshole ever. It's a pathetic excuse that won't hold up to even the most basic intellectual scrutiny.

The position you're dismissing outright is just regular ol' consequentialism and it's not particularly extreme. I don't personally subscribe to it, but it's not some batshit insane set of positions that only a movie villain could love.

[dd614]

You're aware that morality differs wildly from country to country and person to person, right? Arguing about morality is pretty useless most of the time and you should go by the harm principle instead.

Nah, bro. White liberal progressive values are the best in history and every other culture on Earth must be judged based on them.

[May90]

I've read a bit about that new Philippines president... He is like a dumbed-down version of a hybrid of Trump and Palin, and that's quite an achievement!

Doubt Obama has much to talk about with him.

[ChampionChains]

Funny how taking a few naked and lingerie photos makes you a "whore" in 2016. People need to leave their parents basements and experience life.

[Themius]

He wants to kill drug traffickers whereas Obama arms them (Fast & Furious).

Doesn't sound like two people who would get along.

He wants to kill drug abusers aka those addicted