Genn Greymane is going to die.

[Littlepwny]

I thought it was Rogers who shot first if anything, not Greymane.

Yet again, pretty sure that was Rogers, I could be wrong here though, they're very vague about it on Alliance side. Could of even been a dreadlord

But I'm like 99% sure it was Rogers since she references it was the perfect chance she couldn't let by. So uh...yeah. Only thing Greymane did at that point was either in self defense (The Forsaken around his camp) or to prevent Sylvanas from becoming a huge threat to everyone.

Actually, I am pretty sure that Genn instigated it. After all, he is the force commander of the mission.

Rogers states something along the lines of "We are instructed not to attack unless an opportunity presents itself" while Genn instantly replies that "it better do".

[Deleted]

That's a bit of a non-sequitor.

Even if you believe the whole resurrection thing is irredeemably wrong (personally I see it as a much more interesting gray decision rather than black and white) claiming that "humanity will bleed" with this power is a bit much. It's made pretty clear that resurrected undead are free to do with their new un-lives what they wish, whether that be ending it and returning to the grave, joining the Forsaken or running off on their own. They don't become mindless slaves of Sylvanas like the undead raised by the Lich King did; they are still very much themselves mentally.

If you're fundamentally opposed to the whole thing and think it should be opposed, that's fine, but let's not make it some existential threat to humanity when there is little to support that notion.

Undeath changes everything. It changes your entire psyche and emotional capabilities. What you claim is like saying there is nothing wrong with Rape, you can do whatever you want after you get raped.

And you say that a Genocide of the entire Human race would be fine, only so a Criminal can escape the cosmic forces that deemed her guilty and without redemption for all eternity. Because sooner or later, this would happen. Sylvanas would have the power to whipe out humanity and she would use it. Their is nothing indicating that she wouldn't, after all she already invaded human countries to whipe them out. Just look at Stromgarde.

[Littlepwny]

Just look at Stromgarde.

Stromgarde is the only thing I don't blame Sylvanas for.

With the exception of a volunteer force, the Alliance clearly doesn't care about them, why should she? If the lack of Alliance presence in Stromgarde is not an oversight, Varian's behaviour is disgraceful and equivalent to Genn's inaction during the Third War.

[TheFirstOnes]

Wow, so many horde V alliance posts here, and here I am, eating popcorn, while commanding an entire legion fleet.

Ehehehe, ima say that team legion is winning this one...as of now...ehehee...

[Deleted]

Stromgarde is the only thing I don't blame Sylvanas for.

With the exception of a volunteer force, the Alliance clearly doesn't care about them, why should she? If the lack of Alliance presence in Stromgarde is not an oversight, Varian's behaviour is disgraceful and equivalent to Genn's inaction during the Third War.

You what you are trying to say is, if there were no US-Troops in Turky and if Isis would commit a genocide against the turks, Isis wouldn't be to blame?

[TheFirstOnes]

See this is all about misleading perception. The Alliance are supposed to misunderstand what happened, not know how bad the Horde had it over the ridge. That's why we're fighting each other in Legion.

However, we players who can play both Alliance and Horde, or just take the time to read up on both sides, know it's a huge misunderstanding. But so many of you Alliance players can't even comprehend the fact that there's 2 factions.

The Horde is not the bad guys, the Alliance is not the bad guys. Neither faction has an evil leader atm, thus... you dun goof'd

Doesn't matter anyway, we'd pwn your asses either way. However, you warchief had a quick IQ drop, and told people to fight from the back, only to get stabbed from the front.

Dick move from us. But then again, who was the idiot that decided to scream before anything else?

I find the azerothians adorable sometimes.

[MikeBogina]

Doesn't matter anyway, we'd pwn your asses either way. However, you warchief had a quick IQ drop, and told people to fight from the back, only to get stabbed from the front.

Dick move from us. But then again, who was the idiot that decided to scream before anything else?

I find the azerothians adorable sometimes.

Cute, you're roleplaying again.

[TheFirstOnes]

Because it just doesn't work. It looks silly, looks without any design or fantasy direction. The Worgen you come across in the Broken Isles just look goofy, like out of place clowns in their blue alliance tabards. Dogs walking around in the garbs of priests and noble knights. There is no 'dark theme' at all around them, they just are represented as "What if Stormwind Soldiers were dogs" ?

They -could- have been cool, if properly represented, but right now in Legion they're bordering on the same line of 'silly' the Pandaren suffer from. They just look like furries without a cause or purpose. So to me they're not fitting into the Alliance, because they seem to keep getting represented in that noble and pristine core theme the Alliance has, which makes savage wolves look more like tame dogs.

Their theme of savagery and a touch of the Wild Gods would've been able to come to the foreground much better as a part of the Horde, in fact they'd have a great thematical synergy with the Forsaken as allies.

So to me, I can't take them or their storylines serious. I'll just ignore it as it exists currently and hope that a warcraft 4 either has them breaking away from the 'white priest'-theme that they are forced under as part of the alliance, and either become their own independent faction (as Gilneas always has been lorewise) or see their more suitable fantasy of savagery and wilderness supported by the Horde.

Buddy, they wouldn't be menacing anyway, mainly cause of the fact that we exist. We are destroying this world after all. I mean, not like this is our first world after all...I mean...we have destroyed OCTILLIONS of others...so...

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Cute, you're roleplaying again.

Want me to say it without Rping?

THIS FACTION CONFLICT IS BULLSHIT!

There is no right or wrong, they both are bad. Genn is a vengeance mother fucker that need to know when to quit, and sylvanas is the lone ranger that became warchief cause her 13 y/os cried for it.

The end, Now...if you excuse me..ima eat my popcorn again...cause I just triggered someone in the group.

[Tyrathius]

Just like Admiral Rogers and Jaina back in MoP, right?

Horde players need to accept that Alliance characters are allowed to hate the Horde.

[TheFirstOnes]

Just like Admiral Rogers and Jaina back in MoP, right?

Horde players need to accept that Alliance characters are allowed to hate the Horde.

Oh I agree. However, just wait for the shit. I mean, back in MoP, we had garrosh decending into madness, we had the sha, and everything. Now, we have the burning legion reigning down upon us. Sometimes, I ask the alliance and horde why. WHY do you do this shit at the worst of times, kind of ruins everything that made the threat...reconizable. :O

[Maletalana]

precious zombie pornstar

Accurate portrayal of what she has become. Go play WC III campaign and see her banshee form. Dunno why she is a hot naked elf now.

[Jester Joe]

Actually, I am pretty sure that Genn instigated it. After all, he is the force commander of the mission.

Rogers states something along the lines of "We are instructed not to attack unless an opportunity presents itself" while Genn instantly replies that "it better do".

That has nothing to do with Rogers afterwards saying she saw an opportunity and wasn't going to let it go. She definitely mentioned something about them being in an ideal spot to be bombarded.

[Icecat]

I wonder if they'd remove the Worgen "Long live Greymane" voice clip if they killed off Greymane. Or maybe it'd just take on a more poignant tone. On the other hand, I can't imagine many Draenei would be saying "The Naaru have not forgotten us" if all the Naaru were fucking dead... someone eventually would be like "too soon, man".

Oh by the way, I think Greymane will live. I would like to see Jaina die because she's BOOOORING. But to be completely honest, I am down with any lore character dying at literally any point in time and I welcome it. Let's see some death, already. I was totally hype throughout all of Valsharah. Let's fucking kill Jaina next. Let's keep this murder train going. I'm completely dead serious.

[Littlepwny]

You what you are trying to say is, if there were no US-Troops in Turky and if Isis would commit a genocide against the turks, Isis wouldn't be to blame?

I'm saying that I can understand why Sylvanas would want to conquer Stromgarde, she is an evil bitch after all. What I don't understand (and what I care about) is why Stormwind doesn't give a crap about Stromgarde.

To your analogy, it would be closer to saying: "X/Y/Z wtf are you doing about ISIS?" when X/Y/Z can actually do something and the response being "nothing".

[CaptainV]

Let's face the facts.

He's like 80 years old, and he keeps on going on personal vendettas instead of doing the right thing.

He's going to get himself killed and take a few Alliance leaders down with him.

Genn dying would mean Sylvanas dying, they wont take out one without taking out the other, either htat, or Sylvanas would be doomed to become a slave of Bolvar TLK and thus be made to join the alliance so either way, its a loose for the undead.

[bubbadubba]

Next to Jaina, he's my second top pick for a major character I'd want to see as a raid boss.

And I am 100% not a Horde player. I just find his choices annoying as !@#$.

I think his choices are brilliant, he wants revenge. The fight between the two showed that both knew it wasn't wise to kill the other due to the fight with the legion. If Sylvannas killed Genn and because immortal it would look like she was becoming Garrosh and the alliance and a few horde races shouldn't trust her. If Genn killed her it would have been looked at as revenge and him being savage warmonger, he would be in a better place then Sylvannas. So neither could kill the other but they were still fighting to win, Genn realized this and instead of giving into killing her, he found the better way to get what he wanted. He stopped her from becoming immortal, and he got to walk away with her not being able to do anything. If she did kill Genn then how could she explain this to anyone that she shot him in the back after he stopped her from becoming immortal. Brilliant on Genn's part because it was almost like he was rubbing it in.

And before anyone says that she was doing it to better Azeroth... That Val'kyr was already our ally in the fight against the legion.

It was a political battle more then a brawl.

[Halicia]

I think his choices are brilliant, he wants revenge. The fight between the two showed that both knew it wasn't wise to kill the other due to the fight with the legion...

It was a political battle more then a brawl.

But its all right to let godknows how many troops die to settle a personal grudge ?

The "right choice" would be to settle the grudge once & for all, not to let a general state of war continue between worgen & undead continue and let boatloads of others you are SUPPOSED TO BE LEADING AND PROTECTING.... die in your place....

A good leader makes decisions based on those he leads.... NOT THEMSELVES.

[Littleraven]

There is no way they kill off Genn. He seems to be the fill in for Varian and I see him serving as the darkness to Anduin's light. There needs to be that balance because right now Anduin is too much of a toothpick. He has come a ways since being that little kind standing next to Bolvar in Vanilla but he is still just that. A little kid with next to no real leadership experience. IF Genn ends up dying it will be at the trade off of making Anduin more hardened I think.

If anything Sylvanas is going to bite the bullet. It won't be by our hand but I feel like she is gonna end up getting some BS redemption arc and sacrifice herself to save the Forsaken or something.

[Mehrunes]

Just like Admiral Rogers and Jaina back in MoP, right?

Horde players need to accept that Alliance characters are allowed to hate the Horde.

Meanwhile we're closing in on a decade of "Sylvanas will be a raid boss next patch".

I thought it was Rogers who shot first if anything, not Greymane.

Yet again, pretty sure that was Rogers, I could be wrong here though, they're very vague about it on Alliance side. Could of even been a dreadlord

But I'm like 99% sure it was Rogers since she references it was the perfect chance she couldn't let by. So uh...yeah. Only thing Greymane did at that point was either in self defense (The Forsaken around his camp) or to prevent Sylvanas from becoming a huge threat to everyone.

Genn immediately goes "ho ho ho, it better" after Rogers says that her feels tell her that the situation will demand it. And adds that in his senile old mind tracking and attacking is the same and he's not used to breaking his established thought patterns.

[Jester Joe]

Genn immediately goes "ho ho ho, it better" after Rogers says that her feels tell her that the situation will demand it. And adds that in his senile old mind tracking and attacking is the same and he's not used to breaking his established thought patterns.

I know what he says before.

I'm saying AFTER Rogers basically admits to being the one who did it, while Genn says nothing (Pretty sure he's laying down injured at that point).