Chinese, Russian Navies Launch Largest Ever Joint Drill In South China Sea

[ParanoiD84]

To be fair both the saudis in libya and the iraqi goverment in iraq begged the us to help out with airstrikes so i dont really see that as agressive.

[HamFist]

Lets see:

-Invade Libya : Check
-Invade Syria : Check
-Warn China with destruction over south China sea by sending the 7th fleet or w/e the fuck its called? : Check

Invade Syria and Libya?

The Air Force has been doing some light bombing, with ZERO effect in Syria. Russia is WAY more active in that conflict. <http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-in-syria.html

US involvement in Libya was largely parking a carrier group off the coast and sending in a few Spec-Ops soldiers. US foreign policy couldn't even be arsed to deploy troops to keep the US Ambassador from being killed.
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/m...-now/86180884/

Obama is very weak when it come to interventionist foreign policy.

[Ulmita]

Invade Syria and Libya?

The Air Force has been doing some light bombing, with ZERO effect in Syria. Russia is WAY more active in that conflict. <http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-in-syria.html

US involvement in Libya was largely parking a carrier group off the coast and sending in a few Spec-Ops soldiers. US foreign policy couldn't even be arsed to deploy troops to keep the US Ambassador from being killed.
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/m...-now/86180884/

Obama is very weak when it come to interventionist foreign policy.

Russia is active in Syria because Syria is Russia's ally and you are invaders. Its as if shit goes down in Britain, USA goes to help and Russia helps the terrorists

[Kellhound]

High profile officials from both countries are calling for their unofficial alliance to be baptized in a formal and official way.

I've been saying this for a long time now: Washington's aggressive FP is forging an alliance between Russians and Chinese.

Russia belongs to the west. Too bad the Americans send them right into the Chinese arms. I can't wait until they transfer to them some serious military technology. Then we all will be fucked.

Neither Russia nor China will risk war with the US to defend the other. It is clearly in both countries' best interest to sit back and exploit the aftermath. Russia is also very wary of transferring military tech to China as it ends up being sold in competition on the world market.

Oh, and this "huge" exercise includes 18 ships, 21 aircraft, and 250 marines from both sides. Russia is sending the same number of ships to this that China sent to RIMPAC 16. The US forces in RIMPAC 16, btw, included a Carrier Strike Group, and an Amphibious Ready Group, that combined with other assets totaled 23 ships, 200+ aircraft, and 2500 Marines.

[Independent voter]

Russia's largest aircraft carrier, I think their only carrier? It has like 6 planes. It tends to break down so it's towed a lot.

Do the Chinese even have a carrier?

[Kellhound]

Russia's largest aircraft carrier, I think their only carrier? It has like 6 planes. It tends to break down so it's towed a lot.

Do the Chinese even have a carrier?

The Chinese have the sister (brother?) of the Russian carrier.

[Ulmita]

Neither Russia nor China will risk war with the US to defend the other. It is clearly in both countries' best interest to sit back and exploit the aftermath. Russia is also very wary of transferring military tech to China as it ends up being sold in competition on the world market.

It depends the nature of their alliance. It's something you can't know kellhound so stop writing bs again.
Also, from my perspective is better if they gank up rather than waiting for their turn individually.

Most important thing is that the South China sea is off-limits for the USA as we speak =)

[Kellhound]

It depends the nature of their alliance. It's something you can't know kellhound so stop writing bs again.
Also, from my perspective is better if they gank up rather than waiting for their turn individually.

Most important thing is that the South China sea is off-limits for the USA as we speak =)

We already know your perspective is warped at best. After a war between the US and either Russia or China the US will not be in position to wage offensive war with the other for some time. On the other hand, the loser (especially Russia) would be easy picking for the smart country that didnt get involved.

As for being off limits, there are likely more US subs and recon aircraft in the region now than usual.

[Kuntantee]

Neither Russia nor China will risk war with the US to defend the other. It is clearly in both countries' best interest to sit back and exploit the aftermath. Russia is also very wary of transferring military tech to China as it ends up being sold in competition on the world market.

Oh, and this "huge" exercise includes 18 ships, 21 aircraft, and 250 marines from both sides. Russia is sending the same number of ships to this that China sent to RIMPAC 16. The US forces in RIMPAC 16, btw, included a Carrier Strike Group, and an Amphibious Ready Group, that combined with other assets totaled 23 ships, 200+ aircraft, and 2500 Marines.

Russia didn't hesitate to send military aid to Syria in spite of USA. I doubt they will puss off in Pacific. From outside, it looks it is USA which avoids hot contact. I am quite positive at this point that both China and Russia are okay confronting USA, militarily.

[Kellhound]

Russia didn't hesitate to send military aid to Syria in spite of USA. I doubt they will puss off in Pacific. From outside, it looks it is USA which avoids hot contact. I am quite positive at this point that both China and Russia are okay confronting USA, militarily.

Russia hesitated quite a bit about giving military aid to Syria actually. The US has no reason to have hot contact with Russia, it is a distraction. Neither China nor Russia is in a position to confront the US except if the US is invading mainland locations.

[Theinquisition]

Yeah, don't see this lasting long term. the Russians and the Chinese have a long history of distrust and dislike.

[Shibito]

Largest ever is a hyped up word in this article

[Kellhound]

Largest ever is a hyped up word in this article

When you dont hold large exercises to begin with, it is easy to have "the largest ever".

[Puremallace]

Enjoy life while you can because soon...

...war were declared.

Every single scenario ends in a mushroom cloud. Stop pretending like this would be a normal war

[Kellhound]

So, looking at the list of ships Russia sent (called "some of its best vessels, including the Ropucha-class landing ship, and the Udaloy-class destroyer" by state run TV mind you), they are demonstrating how little they have to offer China in support in the SCS....

Meanwhile off of Guam the US is running its biannual Valiant Shield exercise, this year it includes a carrier strike group and an amphibious ready group,180 aircraft, and 18000 sailors, airmen, and Marines. This follows an even larger force earlier this year in RIMPAC 16.

[ringpriest]

So they actually gathered all 5 of the ships they have that could sink a single destroyer with focused fire before being sunk by a fishing ship crashing into them? WITHOUT one's engine burning out?

..was the first thought that came to mind. I'd apologize but I'm fairly sure even combined they'd struggle against the US's naval forces alone. Much less throwing in any potential allied navies. They can try to intimidate us all they want, it's actually adorable.

Or they could just sit in port, and wait for the US ships to break down.

[Kellhound]

Or they could just sit in port, and wait for the US ships to break down.

Too bad for you, the USN's major combatants are very reliable.

[ringpriest]

Too bad for you, the USN's major combatants are very reliable.

Rather the opposite, "Pentagon Weapons Buyer Orders Review of Troubled New Carrier"

The Pentagon’s top weapons buyer has ordered an independent review of the $12.9 billion Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier, citing a list of actual and potential deficiencies with the costliest warship ever.

“With the benefit of hindsight, it was clearly premature to include so many unproven technologies” on the vessel, from those needed to generate power and launch and land aircraft to its radar and elevators to move munitions, Frank Kendall said in an Aug. 23 memo addressed to Navy Secretary Ray Mabus and obtained by Bloomberg News.

While the Navy is pushing toward delivery of the carrier by the end of this year, Kafka said, “this date may need to be revised as we continue shipboard testing.”

Kendall’s memo lists five primary technology areas to be reviewed, including propulsion and electrical system components that he said could be tied to “recent issues discovered with the Main Turbine Generators,” launch and recover systems for aircraft and a new dual-band radar that he said has had “integration issues” on the Ford “that need to be avoided” on the next two vessels in the class.

“What we have to determine now is whether it is best to ‘stay the course’ or adjust our plans,” especially for the second and third ships in what’s now projected to be a $42 billion program. The initial carrier current projected cost of $12.9 billion hits a congressionally mandated cost cap.

And,

“Based on current reliability estimates, the CVN-78 is unlikely to conduct high-intensity flight operations” such as a requirement for four days of 24-hour surge operations “at the outset of a war,” Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon’s chief testing officer, wrote Kendall last month. As delivery of the vessel approaches, “my concerns about the reliability of these systems remain and the risk to the ship’s ability to succeed in combat grows as these reliability issues remain unresolved,” Gilmore said.

[Kellhound]

Rather the opposite, "Pentagon Weapons Buyer Orders Review of Troubled New Carrier"




And,

Yet the Nimitzs, Burkes, Ticos, Virginias, etc are all very reliable. And those are the backbone of the USN. As usual, you cherry pick.

[ringpriest]

Yet the Nimitzs, Burkes, Ticos, Virginias, etc are all very reliable. And those are the backbone of the USN. As usual, you cherry pick.

"Navy: Half the Carrier Fleet Tied Up In Maintenance, Other 5 Strained To Meet Demands"

The Navy has run its 10 aircraft carriers hard since USS Enterprise (CVN-65) decommissioned in December 2012 and is now paying the resulting maintenance bill, with half the fleet tied up in repairs and the other five trying to keep up with combatant commanders’ needs.
...
“I think what we’ve seen here recently, as a result of being down to 10 carriers and having to run carriers at a pace faster than they were designed for – for instance, Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69) just finished a 24-month availability, which was only scheduled for 14 months; she had deployed four times since 2008 with only one maintenance availability in there. So much faster than we had designed, consumed the service life of that ship much faster, so it’s really no surprise that you saw some of the impacts there.

Please, keep digging.