Organ Donor: 'Yes Unless' - Netherlands

[Actarius]

The DMV where I live won't give you a temp license. It takes 2 weeks for your new photo id to show up.

Might be a state by state thing then. California Department of Transportation mandates all DMVs in the state to provide temporary IDs for license changes. This can be in the form of a printed piece of paper or a physical card.

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Not necessarily - but I mean, others usually won't find out unless you tell them.

It's not super common, but it's come up in conversation before. Casually, someone asks and everyone says yes (including me because I'm not dealing with that hate).

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The_Rats_in_the_Walls H. P. Lovecraft.

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If you don't want it, you opt-it, how is this about respecting the wishes if that person never made it clear he did not want it?
Just sounds like feeling, instead of anything objective.

Unless you say otherwise, you are cool with me having sex with your corpse?
There is nothing inherently wrong with feelings, and more importantly, Do you think a person owns their own body?

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The organ belongs to you, then it belongs to the person into whom it is transplanted. When is it the property of the state?

The state was previously asking, "Can we give your organs to someone else when you die?"

Now they are asking, "Do you want to keep your organs when you die?"

At no point are they saying, "Gief meh ur organz plzkthx!"

No they are taking your organs, unless you object.

[Shadowspire]

You are aware that doctors will not go to the same lengths to safe someone who is an organ donor correct?

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This isn't superstition. To make sure organs are harvestable, they have to avoid doing certain things that could possibly damage them. The will not go to every step possibly to save you.

I'm gonna need a link for proof cause that shit is crazy.

[Mihalik]

You could be saving 20 people by donating half your income.
You don't really need that money.

Again. Non sequitur. I'm alive, not dead. If I am dead, I make no use of my organs.

[JohnBrown1917]

Might be a state by state thing then. California Department of Transportation mandates all DMVs in the state to provide temporary IDs for license changes. This can be in the form of a printed piece of paper or a physical card.

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It's not super common, but it's come up in conversation before. Casually, someone asks and everyone says yes (including me because I'm not dealing with that hate).

The life of the non-donors must be so hard.

[Mistame]

I'm on the total opposite camp. I think there shouldn't even be an opt out option. You are dead. The obsession we have with funerary rites is childish at best, creepy at worst.

There is no point in which your body stops being your body. Ever. Period. If someone doesn't want their organs 'harvested', that's their right. You can bounce around semantics and ethics all day but it's all just opinion and frankly, utterly irrelevant. I'm already set to be cremated. I don't give two shits what happens to anyone once I'm gone.

[BannedForViews]

I'm gonna need a link for proof cause that shit is crazy.

Already provided. Go do your own research. I am not putting forth a conspiracy theory here. I am not suggesting doctors kill patients to harvest their organs. I am stating facts.

Hospitals make obscene amounts of money of donating YOUR organs, which you or your family never see a dime from.

The protocol for determining if a patient is "dead" enough to harvest their organs is not thorough enough,and hospitals have harvested organs from people who may have lived. I have no %, but I'm sure that the VAST majority of transplants are above board (minus the economic factor which needs to change. It is your body, if someone is going to benefit from it you should). That doesn't mean that you aren't running a risk by being an organ donor. If you don't care, that is your choice, but no one should ever be forced to, and people shouldn't be opted into a program where they don't fully understand the actual risks.

The reality of organ donation is that it will in all probability never affect you or anyone you know, so you don't care enough about it to give it thought. There is massively asymmetrical information regarding this, and things of that nature, in which you are trusting others to act on your behalf, when your best interests are not necessarily theirs. I prefer to not trust my life to those sorts of things.

[Yvaelle]

Unless you say otherwise, you are cool with me having sex with your corpse?

See the simple solution there is to say, "no" - and then it's over with.

I might be willing to consent to you having sex with my corpse, if you doing so will save lives, and won't interfere with my plans to be burned to ashes (which I don't think it will). At which point, why not have a bit more sex before I'm dust?

Sounds like a win/win/win. We have consensual sex, Suzie gets a new liver.

No they are taking your organs, unless you object.

So object, then you can hoard your rotting organs all to your dead self.

[Fuiking]

I really want to opt out from this kind of systems. I want to have more pressure on researching how to create artificial organs instead of relying on scavenging.

I do agree with you Gabriel.

I really do, personally, my lungs are about as bad as shit, my liver isn't good (some stronk meds when i was younger), my skin, well just say its really bad, my eyes are basically damaged, dont think there are any organs of mine which can be used.

and morally seeing: This new law (as some noticed already) makes it look like the Government (AKA (R)Overheid) owns your body, but thats untrue, someones body is owned only by, you! Once you eat that barrier, theres no limits at all. ''oh, so, your handicapped, but your kneecaps and heart are still good, lets euthanise you!'' - I think it will end up like this, after all the Dutch (im Brabantian and refuse to be called Dutch) are known for there: ''Where the dutch have gone, theres no more grass''.

[Veggie50]

I'm Dutch, and wholely in favour of this "Yes, unless" system.

To be honest, I want either this, or a "You can't receive donor organs unless you're a registered donor" system.

- "But religious people may not want this for religious reasons" - Opt out then, takes literally 5 minutes.
- "I'm afraid doctors won't work as hard on me" - Your donor status does not get checked until AFTER you die. Also doctors in Holland don't personally profit from organ transplants.
- "I think it's morally wrong to obligate people to do this" - No obligation, you can just opt out. Also you're an asshole for thinking making your organs rot or burn is better than saving a sick persons life.

Let's not forget the upside here is that many peoples lives will be saved, for virtually no cost. Also let's remember that this is not a transfer of sovereignty of our bodies. It's just the default choice that will be changed, there is no obligation.

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I highly encourage everyone to be a Donor

It's not only in Netherland, everywhere in Europe this is "normalized", and the synergy with this MASS migration, can be a model of " HARVEST " everything you can in a beautiful Chaos.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4495857/
You only be killed in the hospital, not in the street, don't worry.

Most of the time when those doctors take out ''VITAL" organs of sick people, for cancer or whatever they don't throw those organs in a garbage... they clean it and keep it safe, because the infection roots is in your lymphatic system, poisonned, because of contispation or urinary retention, maybe from infections with non natural sexuality.

The harvest is already closed to full power.

Example.. placenta, even herbivorous eat the placenta... but the hospital may be less willing to let you bring it home...

Guess what they are doing with ALL of THESE ?

After the global life wipeout.... the humankind will be naturaly the next fauna to exploit, in every way possible.

Buying children for friends and benefits

http://www.unicef.org/media/media_92725.html

Nearly 50 million children “uprooted” worldwide.... '' Buy the children please, to save them "

That's a nice reserve and stock market..... Do you realize why 85+% of the "migrants" are male only... ?

World wide Surrogacy Farming maybe ?


A market product HAS NO RIGHT.


And you also know that, when they want to kill a rat in a house, with a B52... all the town is erased.

infracted - forbidden topics

[Veggie50]

It's not only in Netherland, everywhere in Europe this is "normalized", and the synergy with this MASS migration, can be a model of " HARVEST " everything you can in a beautiful Chaos.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4495857/
You only be killed in the hospital, not in the street, don't worry.

Most of the time when those doctors take out ''VITAL" organs of sick people, for cancer or whatever they don't throw those organs in a garbage... they clean it and keep it safe, because the infection roots is in your lymphatic system, poisonned, because of contispation or urinary retention, maybe from infections with non natural sexuality.

The harvest is already closed to full power.

Example.. placenta, even herbivorous eat the placenta... but the hospital may be less willing to let you bring it home...

Guess what they are doing with ALL of THESE ?

After the global life wipeout.... the humankind will be naturaly the next fauna to exploit, in every way possible.

Buying children for friends and benefits

http://www.unicef.org/media/media_92725.html

Nearly 50 million children “uprooted” worldwide.... '' Buy the children please, to save them "

That's a nice reserve and stock market..... Do you realize why 85+% of the "migrants" are male only... ?

World wide Surrogacy Farming maybe ?


A market product HAS NO RIGHT.


And you also know that, when they want to kill a rat in a house, with a B52... all the town is erased.

...wut?


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[Ealyssa]

I don't really agree with the second part. If you need an organ, and someone dies who was, in life, willing to give up their organs, then that's fine if you're next on the list.

You're leeching on a system you don't want to be part of.

Its like asking state aid for say, creating a business, and at the same time tax evading to not give money to the state who helped you.

Its called being a dick. And if you choose to be one, accept to be treated like one

[Fuiking]

Nah Ealyssa its called Folk Sport number 2. Number 1 is whine against everything but still sit still because ''reasons'' (im dutch)

[Actarius]

You're leeching on a system you don't want to be part of.

Its like asking state aid for say, creating a business, and at the same time tax evading to not give money to the state who helped you.

Its called being a dick. And if you choose to be one, accept to be treated like one

It's not at all like that, since the business is breaking the law. Last I checked, you could legally not be a donor.


You can get a blood transfusion without ever giving blood, you can go to a homeless shelter without ever working for one, you can benefit from school/roads/fire/police without paying taxes (children/unemployed/low income), you can get food from a food closet without ever giving food, you can get free internet from google without paying for it (fiber areas), etc

But hey lets shut all those services down for the people who don't or can't contribute to them. Poor person get mugged? Ehh well he's not paying taxes so who cares. Someone get shot? Ehh they never donated blood, so let them die

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Id would be an honor for someone to benefit from my body parts when I am dead.

[Veggie50]

It's not at all like that, since the business is breaking the law. Last I checked, you could legally not be a donor.


You can get a blood transfusion without ever giving blood, you can go to a homeless shelter without ever working for one, you can benefit from school/roads/fire/police without paying taxes (children/unemployed/low income), you can get food from a food closet without ever giving food, you can get free internet from google without paying for it (fiber areas), etc

But hey lets shut all those services down for the people who don't or can't contribute to them. Poor person get mugged? Ehh well he's not paying taxes so who cares. Someone get shot? Ehh they never donated blood, so let them die

That's actually a faulty comparison. Do you mind if I pick the taxes point you made? If you believe that's cherry picking I'll go into your other comparisons

You say a poor person (who pays little or no taxes) can still use public services paid for by taxes. The fault in this, is that the comparison is actually a rich person opting out of paying taxes, yet still uses the public services. In this analogy being poor equals being sick, ie; damaged organs. It's not about the people who have nothing to give, it is about the people who have something to give, but don't.

To all people who are opposed to the "Yes, unless" law. Let me pose you this question:
Would you find it strange to hear me say: "I really want to be an organ donor, but the state won't let me unless I check a box on a website." Because that is the exact same thing. Government wouldn't be following my wishes if they did not use my organs after death.

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Id would be an honor for someone to benefit from my body parts when I am dead.

/tips hat to you sir.

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Let's answer this by: Don't you dare to speak you goyim cattle ?

Be proud, if you want to be the first in line: with your harvested suicidal sacrifice..... for the children.

Give your soul and all and let those who want to live alone... it's not because you are a sad nihilist that everybody should be like you.

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Sounds like a win/win/win. We have consensual sex, Suzie gets a new liver.

I do like that transmog
But on point, i dont mind, I'm a donor, and i think everyone should be, i just take issue with the state deciding for me.