Dont make Sylvanas evil

[Luckx]

Horde already had Garrosh it will be unfair if Horde will get another evil leader. And another "Siege of Orgrimmar/Undercity"

Sylvanas was Chaotic Neutral before, and now some ppl saying that she is evil since Cata or Legion.

So can you please convert Sylvanas into Neutral or Good character, just like Illidan was evil during TBC and became neutral/good during Legion.

This can be done by Sylvanas admitting her "mistakes" and saving some Broken Shore native races from Legion.Or something like this.

Also it would be cool if Horde will have female leader.

Horde already lost too much leaders - Cairne,Garrosh,Vol'Jin, and Thrall doesnt play that big part of storyline like before.

[Nynax]

I have a better Idea.... Just don't make Sylvanas choose choices that make absolutely no sense for her character. Whether it is good or evil at least let it make sense, she's always lived in the grey area.

The problem with Garrosh is that he went from "the biggest lesson I learned from Northrend is 'Honor, no matter how dire the battle...never forsake it." To "KILL ALL THE THINGS! RAWR RAWR ANGER"

[Flurryfang]

Wait what? Sylvanas is not evil in WoW xD She is a hero, especially for her own people. If you follow the dialoge in the stormheim zone in Legion, you will know that she is desperately trying to save her people from withering away and she is apperantly sacrificing alot to save them (even kind of selling her soul to Helya). So you don't have to worry, she is doing fine as a Chaotic good character

It is a very long time ago she did anything, which could be interpreted as evil with the plaque infection of Gilneas, but that can pretty much be put on Garrosh. If he had not ordered her to go suicide-attack on Gilneas, Sylvanas would never have been forced to use her entire arsenal.

Also, she is never going to admit her "mistakes", since they werent mistakes from the Horde point of view. At the broken shore, the Horde was losing and she had to retreat. She could say "im sorry for your loss" to Anduin, but that is proberly the only thing she would ever say about that event.

[Raetary]

Wait what? Sylvanas is not evil in WoW xD She is a hero, especially for her own people. If you follow the dialoge in the stormheim zone in Legion, you will know that she is desperately trying to save her people from withering away

the forsaken dont wither.

[Flurryfang]

the forsaken dont wither.

It was a metaphor. The forsaken don't reproduce, so if she does not have a renewable to way to ress the undead, her people will sooner or later disapper, since they can die just like anybody else.

Also, i think it is something which Sylvanas says on the boat before stromheim... Like word for word.

[TheVaryag]

I have a better Idea.... Just don't make Sylvanas choose choices that make absolutely no sense for her character. Whether it is good or evil at least let it make sense, she's always lived in the grey area.

The problem with Garrosh is that he went from "the biggest lesson I learned from Northrend is 'Honor, no matter how dire the battle...never forsake it." To "KILL ALL THE THINGS! RAWR RAWR ANGER"

Grey Area? She's been using the plague, the PLAGUE I'd call that evil, even Garrosh knew that's just too much. And I'm still pretty sure In my wild theory that she was behind the Wrathgate Incident, and when all went to shit she blamed Putriss and she stayed blameless. And she even now leads the Horde with "They're just cannon fodder, so that I can find a way to keep my people "The Forsaken" alive, and find ways to make more undead, hurray undead empire of Azeroth"... why are the Horde not seeing this? All she cares of Is the FORSAKEN, her people, undead, she wants to be the new Lich Queen ._. we're all DOOMED... DOOM IS COMING!...Again! I'm totally serious by the way, she wants to kill us all, doesen't care for the Horde

[Deleted]

Kind of late for that. Sylvanas has been evil since Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne... Neutral (as in, self-serving) evil to be precise. Even since she became a banshee she was never non-evil, only had "people that serve her better alive than dead" or "those it's not in my best interest to take on yet" instead of "friends" and "allies".

Now that she has the world's second biggest army at her command all bets are off, the only issue would be that the Horde would probably rebel if she tries to push her luck too far, as was the case with Garrosh. I find it very fitting that one of her first acts in Legion is making super-shady deals with Azshara's rejected model and plotting enslavement of sentient beings, that's the good ol' "Varimathras? Kill him" Sylvanas right there.

The problem with Garrosh is that he went from "the biggest lesson I learned from Northrend is 'Honor, no matter how dire the battle...never forsake it." To "KILL ALL THE THINGS! RAWR RAWR ANGER"

I liked Garrosh's story. People complain that it was "too rapid" or "didn't make sense", but years have passed from Northrend to his final fall. Horde gets more territorial gains due to Garrosh, so Horde is happy and Garrosh is happy, but they can't really hold what they take because they're too few in numbers. Some dissenters get in his way, so he has to keep them controlled lest the whole war machine falls apart. Eventually he buckles under pressure and Saurfang's lessons become lost, "old" hot-headed Garrosh returns, it all becomes about conquest "for the good of the Horde", and constant conquest requires more power, everything else be damned. You're either with him or against him, against the Horde, no middle ground.

It was character progression, it was gradual, not sudden. Not all "progression" means the character in question is becoming "a better person". "Power corrupts" is a saying old as coal, WoW didn't invent it. Garrosh at least got a moment of truth during the duel with Thrall (and notably, the latter had no answer, because truth stings).

[Deleted]

the forsaken dont wither.

In fact yes, they wither. They becone brainless zombies if not treated/taken care of/don't have strong will, as seen in some quest chains.
Plus, I think the expression was toward the race, not the individuals (Sylvanas herself says that the Forsaken are going to wither away in the stormheim intro quest)

[Feanoro]

"What joy is there in this curse? ... That I'm apparently desperate not only to prolong for myself, but spread to as many as possible because reasons."

[Deleted]

Sylvanas is already evil, and has been for quite some time.

But there's nothing wrong with being evil, so long as your actions are justified (see Illidan). What's problematic is when you become a caricature of a villain that's evil for evil's sake (see Deathwing).

[Deleted]

She is evil, and that is why i like her (as a character).
She does grotesque things - ever looked around in UC? There are dwarfs in cages that are being used for *research* or what ever you want to call it.
There are many sylv fanboys out there, and I seriously doubt blizzard will take her away., and turn her into a raid.
Personally I would like to see her story go on, that she meets her family and perhaps working side by side with LK to find a way to get immortal / reproduce. I want her to succeed and go for the throat of the worgens.
I would like to see her do more evil stuff that increases the horde vs alli conflict.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Shes evil to the Alliance, thats fine with me. Will she become a Garrosh? Doubtful, as much as some people would trip over themselves to fight her. For game reasons alone, Losing a 4th WC so soon would make of players mad.

[Mhorrg]

The last thing I want is another good warchief.

We're the Horde, we're not supposed to be good.

[Luckx]

Shes evil to the Alliance, thats fine with me. Will she become a Garrosh? Doubtful, as much as some people would trip over themselves to fight her. For game reasons alone, Losing a 4th WC so soon would make of players mad.

I dont mind Sylvanas being evil to humans,night elves, or even Vrykyl. Or Alliance at General.

Not sure about Worgen, Lordaeron aka Undercity could make peace with Gil'neas.

But she should not be evil to other Horde races or Draenei/Dwarves to avoid being something like Garrosh 2.0 (im not saying that Garrosh was evil or hostile to them)

[Feel The Power]

This can be done by Sylvanas admitting her "mistakes" and saving some Broken Shore native races from Legion.

So, a person isn't evil or bad anymore if they just admit their "mistakes"? If someone purposely murders a bunch of people, but then at a later point saves a family in a house fire and says "I'm sorry for murdering people, my bad" it absolves them?

[Shibito]

I'm not going to convince you it's not evil.
Instead I will ask you why you find this evil, but have no problem with:
-Magical fire.
-Burning people to death.
-DK's diseases.
-Draining the life or soul out of someone.
In our reality two of those would've been banned and put into the same category as the plague: Biological weapons.
And one is some shit that ISIS would do.
Headcanon.

1. Where exactly does she treat them like cannon fodder? Her quest to find a future for the Forsaken is something she does on her own.
2. What is so bad about wanting to make more Forsaken?
3. And where exactly is she acting like the "new Lich Queen"?

I sometimes wonder why you and friendlyimmolation bother with the alliance players on this forum they will never get it, they will keep yelling death to sylvanas forever. Hell they even make new troll accounts every week like Sylvani to discuss the same old shit.

[AwkwardSquirtle]

"What joy is there in this curse? ... That I'm apparently desperate not only to prolong for myself, but spread to as many as possible because reasons."

Everything changed after Wrath. She died. It was worse.

[derpkitteh]

too late for that, they already did it and have been pushing it more and more since cata.

[AwkwardSquirtle]

2. What is so bad about wanting to make more Forsaken?
3. And where exactly is she acting like the "new Lich Queen"?

While I'm largely in favour of Sylvanas, her aggressive expansionist tactics and growing an army of undead are definitely the hallmarks of the Scourge. Note also that when Garrosh called her out on it, she didn't deny it, she simply responded "it's fine, I'm on your side."

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Horde already had Garrosh it will be unfair if Horde will get another evil leader. And another "Siege of Orgrimmar/Undercity"

Sylvanas was Chaotic Neutral before, and now some ppl saying that she is evil since Cata or Legion.

So can you please convert Sylvanas into Neutral or Good character, just like Illidan was evil during TBC and became neutral/good during Legion.

This can be done by Sylvanas admitting her "mistakes" and saving some Broken Shore native races from Legion.Or something like this.

Also it would be cool if Horde will have female leader.

Horde already lost too much leaders - Cairne,Garrosh,Vol'Jin, and Thrall doesnt play that big part of storyline like before.

Don't ask us. Ask Blizzard.