Japan has a worrying number of virgins, government finds

[Sanguinesun]

But if Japan becomes dominated by immigrants from across the world, those people will be Japanese, right?

No. You can live here, even have children born here and never become naturalized. Worse there are legal technicalities and social stigmas that make becoming Japanese or worse being Japanese per your passport but socially not recognized as such that make matters worse. Look up zainichi and the social stigmas related to them.

[Deleted]

Idk, that's what people always say about immigrants to Europe or America. They consider people to be Japanese if they simply have it written on an ID card, basically.

Yes, I know these kind of people but they are a loud minority that think that you suddenly change your ethnicity by moving to another country and think that citizenship = you're belong to the same people as the natives.

[Sunseeker]

In all fairness, the current situation of sustained low birth rates after the demographic transition has also never occurred before in history.

So by your argument, the current situation shouldn't even exist. Yet, it does, and pointing to an irrelevant past doesn't much illuminate where this will be going.

Er, that's not that I was arguing at all. What I was arguing was: you can't claim an economic collapse is imminent due to low birth-rates while founding your argument on the basis that low birth-rates have caused economic collapses in the past. Because as you say: sustained low birth rates have never happened like this in the past, and since those low birth-rates have never happened in the past, they could therefore have never led to an economic collapse.

I was not arguing that something can't happen now because it has not happened in the past. I was arguing that you can't say something will happen just like it did back then when the "back then" part of your argument doesn't exist.

[Dellis0991]

Give them alcohol and Viagra, or send them hordes of horny foreign men, they will fix that in a few months.

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But then the question is, do Japanese women love those 400 pounder nerds?

^ No one wants to be crushed (unless its their fetish) send those who aren't shaped like refrigerators.

[NED funded]

Actually that's the worst and by far most shitty solution ever.

Highly educated immigrants that actually contribute to the country are very rare. There simply aren't enough of those to go around and every country wants them.

The shitty immigrants, uneducated people from shitty countries, will bring their shitty problems with them and they are also very likely to rely on benefits. So instead of them helping out your country the shrinking labour force now has to support the elderly and a giant amount of useless immigrants without education and no perspective at all in the job market (which is currently happening in Germany for example).

On top of it all if you take in enough immigrants to actually combat population decline it means that you will have replaced your whole population within 2-3 generations. This is bound to come with MASSIVE cultural problems, I'd bet that no society on this planet can survive this much cultural stress without a civil war.

No, immigration is not even remotely a solution to population decline. It's nice to get a few highly educated immigrants in (as many as possible - but there simply aren't that many to begin with), but you really have to get your own population to reproduce if you want to survive in the long run.

Or help out artificially, growing the population in tubes would work, too



That doesn't quite count. Yes, sure, nobody can make economic predictions about interest rate movements etc. for 30-50 years. Because these things change on a scale of a year and making predictions about something that changes every year for 30 years is hard.
But populations don't change every year. They change in generations. So when talking about populations, a prediction of 30-50 years is like making an economic prediction of 1-2 years only.
Not necessarily perfect but possible.

Useless immigrants as you call them could work on given that labour regulations are dropped and they are incentivized to do so. You point out Germany, but Europe suffers from excessive workers protection which punishes companies for creating low skill jobs and not having one isn't nearly as bad as it is here in the usa. In which we have a opposite effect in which immigrants are so employable that they compete with natives reducing wages.

I agree on the cultural problems, but those effects are overstated imo. Also high skill immigrants have lower fertility rates.

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

Anime is the problem actually. I have a friend who moved to Japan from Belgium in order to study the language more and he sees it clearly. Men there are totally affixed with the ABSURD way women are pictured in Anime. It really is absurd too, and of course its one of the main reasons for the genre's success but when you LIVE in that world it can mess with you.

What's the point of meeting a regular person when there is a girl with massive tits and an infectious personality and smile, and a gun in something you can watch?

[Mistame]

What's the point of meeting a regular person when there is a girl with massive tits and an infectious personality and smile, and a gun in something you can watch?

Seems to me the problem isn't what the men are watching but who the women are becoming. From what I've seen/read, the women are pretty... pretentious. Men ain't got time for that shit.

[THE Bigzoman]

I can't blame him. If someone was going to take 44.2% of my women, I wouldn't call them back either.

You're getting the portion of females that admit to being virgins well into adulthood.

You're pretty much getting legions of socially defunct practice girls. I don't think Japan is clinging to them as tightly as you think they are.

[Berengil]

From my perspective, it's simply too expensive to sustain a 4 person family ( mom/dad/2 kids). That is, while maintaining a lifestyle that I would find acceptable.

Put simply, I'm not going to reproduce because I refuse to take 1 penny out of my wallet or a day out of my life for something that provides no practical benefits. All the arguments others have thrown at me supporting reproduction usually involve emotionalism or some sort of appeal to tradition or custom.

No thanks.

I'm going to take a shot in the dark here: maybe these Japanese people find raising a family an unnecessary and expensive annoyance? Especially now for two reasons I think:

1) The salaryman's guaranteed job for life that pays good is gone after the Lost Decade, mostly.

2) More assertive, modern Japanese women aren't appealing to Japanese men.

[Belize]

It has itself to blame for not taking in immigrants. You won't find any sympathy here.

What, so that they can rape the virgins? That doesn't seem like a very good solution.

[breadisfunny]

Lot of weebos would be glad to help, but Japanese womens wouldn't touch us with a barge pole.

can't seem to imagine why....

[Belize]

can't seem to imagine why....

They must be nice guys! Women hate nice guys, duh!

[Tennis]

What, so that they can rape the virgins? That doesn't seem like a very good solution.

Immigrants have kids. Immigrants diversify society which helps attraction between males and females.

[Osmeric]

Long term, the effect will be to breed for people who have a stronger desire to have children.

Octo-Mom, you are the wave of the future.

[Deleted]

Immigrants diversify society which helps attraction between males and females.

Source for this?

[Belize]

Immigrants have kids. Immigrants diversify society which helps attraction between males and females.

Proffessor BasisCase, PhD in internet bullshit.

[Kraenen]

Immigrants have kids. Immigrants diversify society which helps attraction between males and females.

This is in direct contradiction to all data on this (look up OK Cupid stats for an easy example).

[GrayFrost]

Unlike most in this thread, I've been here for close to 20 years. The primary issue with the negative birth rate is economic primarily and social secondary. Raising a child in Japan is extremely expensive. Kindergartens(hoikuen 0-5/6 and yochien 3-5/6 ) are primarily private or subsidized. 600-1000 US is not uncommon a cost for parents to pay per month to have a child in em. Most elementary schools are public but still have many costs associated with them that add up. Then comes middle and HS which are mostly like kinders, private. Then you have to factor the way the education system being heavily dependent on, yep, private supplemented learning after school (tutors, cram schools for examples and more). Its pretty insane and leads to all manner of other social issues too.

That alone is enough to deter people from having kids.

Then lets add to this that Japan has one of the lowest adoption placement rates in any developed country due to primarily social stigmas and legal quagmires.
Then add to this an increasingly stagnating economy where the average pay for workers really hasnt increased very much at all(even divided with the ever shrinking bonus options customary here) for 2-3 decades.

And I could go on with other social and economic morays here. Its completely a perfect storm for making the population not grow.

This was actually pretty interesting. You don´t happen to have a blog or something do you?

[Aeula]

Invite a few hundred Anime Weaboos to hang around with eager Japanese women. That'll allow both parties to loose their virginity!

[Alydael]

You're getting the portion of females that admit to being virgins well into adulthood.

You're pretty much getting legions of socially defunct practice girls. I don't think Japan is clinging to them as tightly as you think they are.

Don't worry, I will school them and show them the way. Japan can have them back when I am done.