Email shows fed immigration push to swear in new citizens 'due to election'

[Edge-]

This isn't a principled stance highlighting the importance of voting. We both know the game here. If it were a bunch of white men voting Trump seeking citizenship the emails would read very differently.

So what's the gender/race breakdown for those who will be impacted by this move by the White House? Are there no white people, specifically white men impacted?

I'd love to see this info, I was unaware that white people didn't go through the same path to citizenship that non-white people go through.

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Next time there's a thread bitching about Republican gerrymandering we'll just point back to this one.

This is not even remotely the same thing. Gerrymandering is redrawing voting districts with the specific purpose of benefitting your party.

There is no indication that there is any pressure on the part of the government to impact how these new citizens will vote. If they choose to vote Democrat because they see the GOP demonizing them at every turn, that's literally the GOP's fault. It's not some Democrat conspiracy.

[alexw]

Disgusting.

Flood the country with as many people (nearly always minorities) as possible for the sole reason of treating them like human voter cattle to be driven to the market and then pinned up in the permanent underclass until the next election.'

You want to talk about the institutionalized mistreatment of easily exploitable peoples; aka racism?

You're witnessing it!

I don't get it? Unless you are saying they will be forced to vote for one particular party by the immigration officials what is the issue?

[Annoying]

Because they didn't get approved in time? Why should I be allowed to vote if I register after the deadline? And I asked YOU how it was punishing to get flagged in in December?

Again, for the third time. They're free to do this. It's just blatant that this is all politics. And it's funny that this will be painted as a goodwill move.

But, ayyy. I must hate immigrants to laugh at blatant political maneuvers,right?

And who's fault is it that they didn't get approved in time? The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. What's this an email about? Asking them to hurry up and approve or deny them in time. These people have already submitted their forms.

They aren't asking the USCIS to cut corners, they're asking them to do their jobs so that people waiting get to vote. I really don't see how there's a problem with this.

This isn't a principled stance highlighting the importance of voting. We both know the game here. If it were a bunch of white men voting Trump seeking citizenship the emails would read very differently.

Oh man, can I get next weeks Powerball numbers?

[alexw]

Next time there's a thread bitching about Republican gerrymandering we'll just point back to this one.

You people can't make up your mind about what corruption in politics is tolerable and what isn't. Some of us are outright saying ANY is bullshit but quite a few of you are turning a blind eye to it if it's for shit you support, and as Zombergy said it's fucking disgusting.

A thread full of either willful ignorants or naïve go alongs acting as though a directive from an Administration that doesn't take a shit until they calculate the political impact of doing so isn't attempting to game the system at taxpayer expense to get more votes for itself.

It's shit, and sympathies for people don't make it any less so and just make those unable to see past their sympathies as enablers of the problem.

Are you saying the immigration officials are forcing these people to vote democrat? That is the only way it could be construed as akin to gerrymandering you know.

[Leadsop]

It's a good thing the source isn't from some horrible "news" agency that redefined partisan reporting and couldn't be more biased or idiotic if they tried. Whew.

No matter your views on Fox News, they are one of our country's major news organizations, and this is a real, corroborated news story.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Again, that's fine. That's your feels. But do you have any evidence, any reals, to indicate that this is actually happening? That's the rub.

Disagreeing is one thing, but we're talking about facts here. We have no facts, or even any evidence, to back up your assertion beyond "But they're Democrats!"

Your feels is that a Democrat Administration wouldn't tell a field office in a Democrat city to step up its processing due to the election and that would have nothing to do with getting a Democrat elected.

Your feels say that a Senate hearing in which the chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs produces a document showing that..

..a Democrat Administration told a Democrat field office in a Democrat state to step up its processing due to the election..

..isn't evidence.

[Dextroden]

And who's fault is it that they didn't get approved in time? The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. What's this an email about? Asking them to hurry up and approve or deny them in time. These people have already submitted their forms.

They aren't asking the USCIS to cut corners, they're asking them to do their jobs so that people waiting get to vote. I really don't see how there's a problem with this.



Oh man, can I get next weeks Powerball numbers?

In time for this election cycle. And as soon as November passes, no one will try to speed these up for a while.

Fourth time. Free to do it. Blatantly political, which makes it hilarious that it will be viewed as goodwill.

Why do you guys hate people commenting on that aspect? Is it because having to accept this purely for votes isn't funny?

[TrumpIsPresident]

There is no indication that there is any pressure on the part of the government to impact how these new citizens will vote.

Don't get hung up on the question of influence, its not relevant.

Consider these two questions:

From what nation(s) do most of the AfN's Houston processes come from?
For what party do those people typically vote for?

You see there is no need for influence.

[Damajin]

I mean I'm not saying what Zombergy is portraying as happening is alright, it's just that we have no proof it is ACTUALLY happening. If it could be proven that they were purposefully trying to rush the process to garner votes for a specific party, then it would be corruption... But trying to garner just more voters in general? How is that corruption? It's only corrupt in the eyes of people who believe that the group being allowed to vote will not vote for their party.

Look, this whole notion of proof in politics tends to come up a ton but the reality is that in a world of everyone using unaffiliated emails, offsite meetings, burner phones and every other means of directly avoiding responsibility and/or culpability for these type of things proof against either party is fucking hard to get. Furthermore when there is proof that is found there is an overwhelming partisan effort to discredit it, either source shaming or just outright party trolling, and other sorts of things.

I'd love to have a dozen smoking guns for this and everything else but we've got to look at the minimal papertrail we have and work off the general recognition of systemic corruption that exists in our political machine, something that really only the most massively naïve person would deny at this point. If we can find concrete proof that'd be outstanding, in lieu of that when situations like this come up that show real clear markings of malfeasance then you run with that, because it's safer than going to a casino to assume that both major parties are doing fucking atrociously corrupt shit to win this election. The Obama administration has shown no signs of operating under any kind of higher moral authority to justify excusing them from this kind of consideration and the rather naked attempt at getting more votes for their own platform, which they know Hillary would maintain in many forms even if she shits on others is so drastically important that Obama was out shilling for her a week ago when she was 'sick' and unable to campaign.

[Dextroden]

Because they are afraid that the immigrants aren't going to vote for the party that is blatantly opposed to them.

Like this. The closest I came to fitting in at Boomzy's garden was stating these were counter votes Trump. Do I have to hate immigrants to find expediting citizenship to get votes funny?

[TrumpIsPresident]

I'm sorry? Do you mean the Democrat party field office? o.O I'm confused. I thought this was a "directive" to immigration offices?

Yea let me correct that.

Your feels is that a Democrat Administration wouldn't tell a field office in a Democrat city to step up its processing due to the election and that would have nothing to do with getting a Democrat elected.

[Damajin]

Are you saying the immigration officials are forcing these people to vote democrat? That is the only way it could be construed as akin to gerrymandering you know.

Man you must know jack shit about community outreach, word would come down if it already hasn't come down on who to vote for and why.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Ohhhh, so it was bullshit.

Also that still doesn't make sense, because why would a blue state need extra votes....

No I was typing Democrat so many times I added an extra one where it didn't belong.

And what blue state? You mean blue city?

Don't worry when you correct yourself I wont jump all up into your ass about it.

[Incredibale]

There is and was never any news network that is a mouthpiece for the democrats more than Fox News is for the Republicans. You are deluding yourself to believe otherwise.

MSNBC is about there, letting Melissa Harris Perry spew communist style propaganda unironically and even if they aren't as biased to the left as Fox is to the right, Fox is the only station that leans right among a sea of liberal news media.

Fox has been attacked relentlessly by the left while they ignore (but eventually admit to in snarky fashion) liberal bias on their own networks.

Liberals look stupid when they point out the toothpick in someone's eye while ignoring the sequoia in theirs.

[Dextroden]

It's blatantly for votes, i think that was the point of the article right?

Our question would be what's wrong with letting citizens vote? Your problem seems to be solely that you think those citizens will vote against your party, which isn't a good enough reason to be against this.

Since I've never registered Republican, that's a really weak bone to chuck at me. Could it be that I just find the blatant maneuvering hilarious along with the solid chance there's not going to be another move like this for a while?

[alexw]

Man you must know jack shit about community outreach, word would come down if it already hasn't come down on who to vote for and why.

So you are saying they are being forced to vote democrat? Give credible sources for this, otherwise its bs and you are making it up.

[Dextroden]

When did i say you hated immigrants?

Probably the part where you went "Oh, they're against this because they're Republicans". That's been the popular fill in. Republican? Hate "Brown people" and "The gays".

[TrumpIsPresident]

Since I've never registered Republican, that's a really weak bone to chuck at me. Could it be that I just find the blatant maneuvering hilarious along with the solid chance there's not going to be another move like this for a while?

You're right about that.

I wonder if any of these people have ever sat down and wondered "gee why did the Occutard movement vanish after Obama got elected?" and "gee how come we're not hearing about class warfare during Hillary's campaign?".

This move is a scam and it will die off when Hillary is elected.

Just like how BLM will die off once shes elected.

[Dextroden]

Okay if you are not a Republican there is no reason why this should matter to you at all then. Glad we could clear that up.

Oh my god. Forbidden from continuing for not agreeing or blindly or being a punching bag.

I'm fucking dying.

[Incredibale]

Yeah, the entire point of MSNBC was trying to emulate Fox News rofl.

Because before MSNBC there was not a left-leaning news network contrary to the persecution complex that people on the right seem to have.

You are willfully blind then, because there's a universe of documentation showing you're full of shit.

Fox News provided a supply for demand that wasn't met based on the OBSERVABLE REALITY that existing broadcast/cable news was liberal.