Email shows fed immigration push to swear in new citizens 'due to election'

**artemishunter1** · 2016-09-23, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Annoying

... Naturalized immigrants use social programs at a lower rate than those born here.

Well, let me see your data on that. And does it include their children as well? Another problem is their income, since they tend not to have any skill to earn money. Thus, they depend on Earned Income tax Credit and Child Tax Credit. Therefore, they get more in refund then they paid in tax.

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Originally Posted by Machismo

Letting people who want to live in a place is freedom. I hope they enjoy their stay in this country, and become productive members of society It's a shame you seem to be so ouraged by freedom.

But you do not agree with freedom either. If you did that, you would be against unions and for open border. You would have supported U.S. turning into third world country.

**hydrium** · 2016-09-23, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by cubby

It's a good thing the source isn't from some horrible "news" agency that redefined partisan reporting and couldn't be more biased or idiotic if they tried. Whew.

I mean, honestly at this point you're not even trying.

**artemishunter1** · 2016-09-23, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by Edge-

So being an immigrant is a permanent underclass? Does this mean the American Dream is dead, then? Because I keep hearing about how alive and great it is from folks on the right.

Again, that's fine. That's your feels. But do you have any evidence, any reals, to indicate that this is actually happening? That's the rub.

Disagreeing is one thing, but we're talking about facts here. We have no facts, or even any evidence, to back up your assertion beyond "But they're Democrats!"

Yes, American Dream is DEAD completely for low skilled worker. If you are born lowskilled, then YOU are going to die lowskilled and poor. YOUR children MIGHT succeed, depending on their genetics (mental illness and lack of ambition is genetic). But YOU are DOOMED to be low skilled and Poor. YOU are ALWAYS going to be Liability to this nation, great for the economy since you would be buying shit but Leech to public treasury, and will cause increase in tax to subsidize your living through welfare.

**Dextroden** · 2016-09-23, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Boomzy

Aren't they also being told the same thing by the Republicans?

Yes. But who wants to rush them in?

And what side have people repeateadly said on the interwebs despises "Brown people"?

**artemishunter1** · 2016-09-23, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by Edge-

So what's the gender/race breakdown for those who will be impacted by this move by the White House? Are there no white people, specifically white men impacted?

I'd love to see this info, I was unaware that white people didn't go through the same path to citizenship that non-white people go through.

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This is not even remotely the same thing. Gerrymandering is redrawing voting districts with the specific purpose of benefitting your party.

There is no indication that there is any pressure on the part of the government to impact how these new citizens will vote. If they choose to vote Democrat because they see the GOP demonizing them at every turn, that's literally the GOP's fault. It's not some Democrat conspiracy.

You are being disingenious here. YOU know very well this is being done to specificly gain democratic vote. Democrates are BUYING votes through making the immigrants citizens, since it qualifies them for further welfare. The tax increase would be done on the middle class, which the immigrants won't be paying.

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Originally Posted by Crissi

They will be becoming Americans regardless. Citizens are citizens, wether theyve been that way 1 month or 1 yeaar.

and I said that because it seems half the people here havent actually interacted with many. The ones i know wanted to contribute to AMeirca, be in an amazing country, and vote. to make it continue to be great. Not to somehow make it like Peru or CHina or Canada...

but you are mostly meeting with college educated immigrants, not the majority who are barely above cattle in value. While it is not their fault being born poor, or not having any skill the nation needs, it is how it is. They are destined to use welfare, medicaid, and hospital emergency visits, maternity care, education funds for their children without paying anything into it, receiving child tax credit, earned income tax credit, their many children's healthcare without contributing anything. They born to keep their culture alive in the U.S. because it makes them comfortable. Thereby they will turn this nation into third world status.

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Originally Posted by Dextroden

Yes. But who wants to rush them in?

And what side have people repeateadly said on the interwebs despises "Brown people"?

genuinely, though Do YOU honestly believe brown people will contribute to this country? Their children might, but they themselves? If you are talking about rich brown people with skills, they won't have any problem at all even now. Problem is overpopulated (check population growth in Latin America) low skilled (they have no education, and those that do, is pathetic education since standard for education is low) brown who won't contribute to this nation. If you are are from "they are doing jobs, that americans won't do" camp, tell me something, how many of those jobs even exist in teh U.S. per year, when we aer getting Millions of immigrants to this nation per year. Are we getting low skilled job boom i was not aware of?

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**Damajin** · 2016-09-23, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by Boomzy

Aren't they also being told the same thing by the Republicans?

If the Republicans have community outreach in the area, sure. The Republicans don't exactly have the same focus as the Democrats in their community outreach though, as we see in the general appeals made to immigrants and minorities overall.

Community outreach for Democrats is usually coordinated with local civic/social groups and leaders and they're being told directly that President Obama and the Democrats are going to clear the way for them to be citizens, going to make X, Y, Z happen for them, etc etc and that it's important for A, B, and C reasons to vote Democrat so that they can continue to provide X, Y, Z to them and their family and people back home. Those civic/social leaders proselytize those not already firmly found in their camp and act as the ground level assurances of such promises. You have chartered transportation for these people, voting rallies with food, sometimes entertainment and lots of the traditional handshaking and speechgiving which amounts to a bunch of vote buying and dog whistling of their own.

Having grown up in Detroit I've experienced this first hand because anyone from the inner city regardless of race was at one time assumed to have Democrat sympathies and those guys would talk to you openly and blatantly about hooking you up with this, that and the other if you came downtown and cast your vote for Coleman Young, or Dennis Archer, etc. Nowadays if you're not a minority they auto assume you support Republicans and are generally surprised if you don't.

You definitely hear about these types of collusion and influence chains in the more Democrat dominated areas around the country as the outreach goes down to the streets and is more easily recognized and reported rather than up to the board rooms where Republicans typically prefer to reach for support.

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Originally Posted by Boomzy

Not enough hands in the world to adequately facepalm those words.

Or you don't understand what he's saying, either because you're not military yourself or because you just haven't been to the physical and mental places he and other military people have been. You'll find his sentiment a very common one amongst people who've actually been in the military.

Rarely will you find such a barb ended back hand employer as the federal government.

**Alydael** · 2016-09-23, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by Zombergy

Disgusting.

Flood the country with as many people (nearly always minorities) as possible for the sole reason of treating them like human voter cattle to be driven to the market and then pinned up in the permanent underclass until the next election.'

You want to talk about the institutionalized mistreatment of easily exploitable peoples; aka racism?

You're witnessing it!

Watch how fast all the excuses and cover for Hillary and the Dems comes. They will probably call you a racist or a xenophobe too. They will question the source of the article and act "surprised" that you don't want these people to become automatic citizens.

No matter what Hillary and the dems do, they will create endless excuses for her. She could get caught murdering children in cold blood (and she probably did when she bombed out Libya with Obama without Congressional approval) and they would still lie and make excuses for her. She has broken the world record for corruption, scandals and lies and they still believe her and the Dems.

**xChurch** · 2016-09-23, 12:25 AM

Maybe if the Republicans weren't always coming off like they hated immigrants, they wouldn't have to worry about them voting Democrat. It's not like all new immigrants are secretly told to always vote democrat, in fact most immigrants tend to come from more conservative countries.

**Kraenen** · 2016-09-23, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by Crissi

So...irrational fear of immigrants? Dont be suprised when you get called out as being a bigot.

and no, I dont have a race preference.

What irrational fear? You know bigotry isn't phobia right?

**Edge-** · 2016-09-23, 12:29 AM