"No means no!" but only for women

[Nitro Fun]

Men are expected to always not do something when women say no but when women wants to do something against a mans will, like forcing men to become parents, why doessn't mens no matter in that case? Surely it should be respected when men say they don't want to be forced to become parents?

[apples]

Men are expected to always not do something when women say no but when women wants to do something against a mans will, like forcing men to become parents, why doessn't mens no matter in that case? Surely it should be respected when men say they don't want to be forced to become parents?

how to get out of custody

step 1: tell courts you want sole custody

step 2: drop kid off at adoption center

[Independent voter]

We in the Patriarchy have decided that if you father a child, the woman gets to decide whether or not she wants to bare the child. While the Patriarchy is all male we do have daughters.

You can't really ask a woman to kill her fetus can you?

Once the fetus becomes a child, yes that child has a DNA father and that DNA father is financially responsible for the child until it is of age.

[blinz]

There is a large difference between someone forcing themselves onto someone, and having a child.
In case A, someone saying no, one person is an unwilling participant.
In case B, both people had consensual sex with full knowledge of possible consequences. If they don't know sex could = baby, then they haven't payed attention to humans for as long as humans have existed.

[Nitro Fun]

There is a large difference between someone forcing themselves onto someone, and having a child.
In case A, someone saying no, one person is an unwilling participant.
In case B, both people had consensual sex with full knowledge of possible consequences. If they don't know sex could = baby, then they haven't payed attention to humans for as long as humans have existed.

Yet people say consent to sex does not mean consent to parenthood as far as woman are concerned.

[Azadina]

It's really ridiculous to compare saying no to an act, with saying no to the consequences of said act.

You don't get charged for a crime for refusing to do a crime. You will get charged for a crime, if you did it, but now try to say no to the consequences of it.

[Dextroden]

Yet people say consent to sex does not mean consent to parenthood as far as woman are concerned.

Oh, don't worry. The people that were saying that have no problem being hypocrites and saying a man having sex means you want to have a child.

Isn't it funny when people start using the argument they fought against?

[blinz]

Yet people say consent to sex does not mean consent to parenthood as far as woman are concerned.

Correct, consequences include not having rights to the other persons body. Her body, her choice.

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Not to misconstrue the long tail implications, but having a child is one thing, the social construct modern society has about forcibly supporting the child without question is a whole other discussion.

[McFuu]

When it comes to the birthing of kids, women will always have the choice, because it's still a potentially life threatening situation.
When it comes to the actual raising of children or being financially responsible for them, that's a whole other discussion.
Currently men are completely powerless in the situation and really it shouldn't be that way. I think if the man doesn't want to have a kid and took proper steps to not have a child and an accident occurs such as a condom breaking, if the woman doesn't want to have an abortion, the man shouldn't have to bear the consequences of her choice. The argument could be made that the woman also not using a contraceptive should leave her bearing the majority of responsibility.

[Dezerte]

Poor analogy.

If you don't want to be a parent don't have unprotected sex.

[McFuu]

When it comes to the birthing of kids, women will always have the choice, because it's still a potentially life threatening situation.
When it comes to the actual raising of children or being financially responsible for them, that's a whole other discussion.
Currently men are completely powerless in the situation and really it shouldn't be that way. I think if the man doesn't want to have a kid and took proper steps to not have a child and an accident occurs such as a condom breaking, if the woman doesn't want to have an abortion, the man shouldn't have to bear the consequences of her choice. The argument could be made that the woman also not using a contraceptive should leave her bearing the majority of responsibility.

[Deleted]

We in the Patriarchy have decided that if you father a child, the woman gets to decide whether or not she wants to bare the child. While the Patriarchy is all male we do have daughters.

You can't really ask a woman to kill her fetus can you?

Once the fetus becomes a child, yes that child has a DNA father and that DNA father is financially responsible for the child until it is of age.

I don't see why not. I'm fine fine with women wanting a child if they got pregnant by accident. I just don't get why a guy has to pay child support for a child he clearly never wanted. Especially not when a woman has ways to get a child on purpose, I know these cases are rare but they are real.

[Dezerte]

I don't see why not. I'm fine fine with women wanting a child if they got pregnant by accident. I just don't get why a guy has to pay child support for a child he clearly never wanted. Especially not when a woman has ways to get a child on purpose, I know these cases are rare but they are real.

That child has to be taken care of, one way or another, it's either going to be the father or the people (who pay taxes through the state handing out child-support).

[Jakisuaki]

Men are expected to always not do something when women say no but when women wants to do something against a mans will, like forcing men to become parents, why doessn't mens no matter in that case? Surely it should be respected when men say they don't want to be forced to become parents?

Two things I want to know.

1) How old are you?

2) Where the fuck are your parents?

[Azadina]

I don't see why not. I'm fine fine with women wanting a child if they got pregnant by accident. I just don't get why a guy has to pay child support for a child he clearly never wanted. Especially not when a woman has ways to get a child on purpose, I know these cases are rare but they are real.

If you want to talk fairness, then it's more fair that you pay for your own child, whether you wanted it or not. Rather than people who have nothing to do with you or your child be forced to pay.

[Deleted]

'No means No' in regards to an act does (and should) apply to both genders.
However, saying No to an act does not equal saying No to the consequences of an act.

The comparison in the OP is pretty flawed.

[Underverse]

I don't see why not. I'm fine fine with women wanting a child if they got pregnant by accident. I just don't get why a guy has to pay child support for a child he clearly never wanted. Especially not when a woman has ways to get a child on purpose, I know these cases are rare but they are real.

Life isn't fair. Males should be encouraged, legally or otherwise, to be involved in raising their genetic kids, even if it means just donating resources.

I can understand why some people might not like this, especially with the populist feminist movement that's pushing for gender equality in all areas except the areas where females already have advantages. As a reaction to this ideology, I agree with your grievance. But I don't think either case is ideal.

[Tikaru]

Men are expected to always not do something when women say no but when women wants to do something against a mans will, like forcing men to become parents, why doessn't mens no matter in that case? Surely it should be respected when men say they don't want to be forced to become parents?

Get a vasectomy.

[Underverse]

Get a vasectomy.

This is kind of like telling a women to get an abortion. In both cases, we're overlooking bodily autonomy.

[Deleted]

That is some really bad analogy.