Second Presidential Debate - Sunday, October 9, 2016

[Malderon]

it's so hilarious and sad, they both deserve to be in cages in zoo not in president's chair lol. Whole world is screwed if hillary wins though.

[stomination]

I'm not a right wing trump deplorable that cant accept facts in life, and it doesn't settle it for me, so...you're wrong?

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So which is it? Trump is a puppet for Putin, or Trump wants to/is going to start a cold war with Russia? Seems the demhards all agree that it's both.

I know the lefties loves to sling insults, it's just funny when they are dead serious while slinging insults that directly contradict each other.

That's what I'm trying to figure out.

[Felya]

Which the funny thing about that is the Clinton camp is trying to say that Russia wants Trump to be president. Seems odd to want Trump to win if he is going to start a cold war with you again.

Why is that wierd? No mater the game, choosing an opponent you feel is likely to win, is foolish. Trump litteraly said that he doesn't know anything about Russia during the debates...

[stomination]

Why is that wierd? No mater the game, choosing an opponent you feel is likely to win, is foolish. Trump litteraly said that he doesn't know anything about Russia during the debates...

Ok lets go back to where someone said trump wants to start wars and a cold war with Russia. Then lets go back to where supposingly Russia wants him to win.


Why would any country want someone to win who might engage in a war with you? It cant be both. It can only be one. So which is it?

[Felya]

That's what I'm trying to figure out.

Why wouldn't you want a puppet as your opponent?

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Ok lets go back to where someone said trump wants to start wars and a cold war with Russia. Then lets go back to where supposingly Russia wants him to win.

Why would any country want someone to win who might engage in a war with you? It cant be both. It can only be one. So which is it?

As I said, because they think they are incompetent. If you were the aggressor, are you more likely to hope for a competent opponent or noob you have a "relationship" with?

Think in PvP, do you want to face an arena team that has being doing 3v3 for 10+ years, or a noob who has hit the gold cap?

[frosty65]

This is my first comment on mmo champion you sir are stupid.

[Matchles]

Whole world is screwed if hillary wins though.

Because...?

[Ragedaug]

A lot of folks can't figure Trump out. Trump is not an arms dealer. A cold war doesn't do much (if anything) for him. Trump's a builder. Real Estate is his best game. If anything Trump will use his office to schmooze with World Leaders so that his "brand" can get in more places for better deals.

Trump's a deal maker, not a fighter. What you see on TV is bravado & acting.

[Breccia]

Trump's a builder. Real Estate is his best game.

Trump's final casino in New Jersey closed today.

This has nothing to do with Russia. I just felt it was worth pointing out.

[May90]

Trump's a deal maker, not a fighter. What you see on TV is bravado & acting.

Well, maybe he should do a little less bravado & acting when applying for the most influential job in the world then? Why is it that all candidates are judged by their actions and words, and Trump suddenly gets a pass on it?

[Edge-]

Well, maybe he should do a little less bravado & acting when applying for the most influential job in the world then? Why is it that all candidates are judged by their actions and words, and Trump suddenly gets a pass on it?

Because "he's not a politician", or something. As if that's some kind of defense/excuse.

[mvaliz]

Trump's a deal maker, not a fighter. What you see on TV is bravado & acting.

Donald Dump is not a deal maker. Donald Dump is a sheltered kid with an inherited fortune and a name that he rubber-stamps above the lines his lawyers, tax experts, and marketing salesmen tell him to put the stamp on.

Case in point... why are we seeing his "TV bravado & acting" instead of, you know, him making a solid deal with us - the American people - if he's a "deal-maker"? All we get are bullshit blusters (A mexican-paid for wall) or mythical "plans" (I have a plan to defeat ISIS, I won't say it, but we do have one! Seriously! Believe Me!), or ones from an outdated generation (The Free Market faeries will fix all the Medical Insurance companies flaws and problems if we get rid of all regulations)

[Breccia]

Case in point... why are we seeing his "TV bravado & acting" instead of, you know, him making a solid deal with us - the American people - if he's a "deal-maker"?

For example, the tax plan. The majority of it goes to the 1%

That is not a deal for the American people.

[boyzma]

Just had an "omg are you serious" conversation with a family member. He is absolutely convinced that Trump is going to win.....how you may ask......by the electorial vote is his answer. I'm not real politically savvy, so excuse my ignorance....but, aren't those votes cast by representatives of the candidates party? With so many bailing on the Donald, does he have any left that will actually vote for him? I can't stand the man, think Robert De Niro described him perfectly the other day. Not 100% thrilled with Hillary, but at least she has more knowledge than Trump could ever hope for. So if someone could explain it to me a little I would appreciate it, although it won't change my opinion

[Edge-]

I'm not real politically savvy, so excuse my ignorance....but, aren't those votes cast by representatives of the candidates party?

The electoral college, yes. Technically, they can vote however they want for the most part. They are not bound to vote for the candidate that won the state in every state (some are on a state level though, there's no federal law/rule requiring this though), so conceivably there could be a revolt and for some unknown reason everyone who isn't bound to vote for their states choice votes for Trump.

[mvaliz]

For example, the tax plan. The majority of it goes to the 1%

That is not a deal for the American people.

Butbutbut... trickle down! It will all trickle down and all the 1% will suddenly make new shoe-shops instead of buying luxury yachts and vacationing at Donald Dump's newly-opened exclusive Scottland Golf Course resort for the super-rich! >.>

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Just had an "omg are you serious" conversation with a family member. He is absolutely convinced that Trump is going to win.....how you may ask......by the electorial vote is his answer. I'm not real politically savvy, so excuse my ignorance....but, aren't those votes cast by representatives of the candidates party? With so many bailing on the Donald, does he have any left that will actually vote for him? I can't stand the man, think Robert De Niro described him perfectly the other day. Not 100% thrilled with Hillary, but at least she has more knowledge than Trump could ever hope for. So if someone could explain it to me a little I would appreciate it, although it won't change my opinion

Hope this helps:

Are there restrictions on who the Electors can vote for?

There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their states. Some states, however, require Electors to cast their votes according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categories—Electors bound by state law and those bound by pledges to political parties.

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the Constitution does not require that Electors be completely free to act as they choose and therefore, political parties may extract pledges from electors to vote for the parties' nominees. Some state laws provide that so-called "faithless Electors" may be subject to fines or may be disqualified for casting an invalid vote and be replaced by a substitute elector. The Supreme Court has not specifically ruled on the question of whether pledges and penalties for failure to vote as pledged may be enforced under the Constitution. No Elector has ever been prosecuted for failing to vote as pledged.

Today, it is rare for Electors to disregard the popular vote by casting their electoral vote for someone other than their party's candidate. Electors generally hold a leadership position in their party or were chosen to recognize years of loyal service to the party. Throughout our history as a nation, more than 99 percent of Electors have voted as pledged.

So... apparently you do raise an interesting question. It's basically rarely ever done, but who knows - this may be the first time they DON'T do that...

...and, oh gods, would THAT cause a serious shit-storm of chanting "rigged!" >_<

On the flip-side though, right now, electoral college wise - Clinton is in a VERY wide lead. You probably should tell your peoples there they should look beyond social media and find other sources that are...well... real. :P

[Breccia]

On the flip-side though, right now, electoral college wise - Clinton is in a VERY wide margin.

How wide is it?

RCP gives 260 to Clinton right now. There's half a dozen states, literally, worth 10 or more and she's nudging ahead in four of them. She needs one.

I still really, unrealistically, want to see her take Texas.

[Anevers]

How wide is it?

RCP gives 260 to Clinton right now. There's half a dozen states, literally, worth 10 or more and she's nudging ahead in four of them. She needs one.

I still really, unrealistically, want to see her take Texas.

I like this electoral college map.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...d=rrpromo#plus

[Breccia]

I like this electoral college map.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...d=rrpromo#plus

The one that calls Pennsylvania a tipping point? PA's a lock.

[mvaliz]

How wide is it?

RCP gives 260 to Clinton right now. There's half a dozen states, literally, worth 10 or more and she's nudging ahead in four of them. She needs one.

I still really, unrealistically, want to see her take Texas.

I'm tired... I mean to write "lead" instead of "margin" >_<