Do you think Scotland will call another independence referendum

[Attackrabbit]

Scotland is running a deficit of over £15b and the only reason Scotland isn't bankrupt right now is because the UK can absorb the loss. I'm disgusted when I think that I used to support independence, it would destroy the country, Scotland is in a far worse position now than it was in 2014 and even back then independence would have been bad.

That sounds a hell of a lot like the Welsh Assembly's management over the years

[Shadowmelded]

Must say i agree. They could use most of the GB arguments for leaving the union. Don't know if its the best thing for Scotland to leave though as Spain might block them because of their own separatist groups.

We still don't know the full effect of Brexit, if the economy blooms then leaving would be quite stupid if not just for ideology.

Spain's main concern is not setting a precedent for independence that isn't in constitutionally sanctioned since Spain's constitution provides no avenue for Catalonia, for example, to secede. As long as it's done constitutionally they have no complaints.

[Aggrophobic]

I sure hope so.

[Deleted]

What kind of economic prospects do the Scottish have if they seperate from the UK?

I vaguely remember reading a while back that they would be royally screwed if they did and they would plummit into poverty.

[Deleted]

I don't think that Scotland will leave the UK. They are Westminster's bitch in the same manner as Netherlands are to Germany.

[JohnBrown1917]

I doubt they'd get a chance to have a second shot personally.

Seems a tad silly, the brits all want 'indepence' from the EU, but its not okay for the scots to want it from the UK?

Leaving the EU is a big change to them.

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I don't think that Scotland will leave the UK. They are Westminster's bitch in the same manner as Netherlands are to Germany.

Look at this guy, thinking he's funny.

[Sunseeker]

What kind of economic prospects do the Scottish have if they seperate from the UK?

I vaguely remember reading a while back that they would be royally screwed if they did and they would plummit into poverty.

I believe there are some oil/natural gad resources off the Scottish coast, but their ownership is contested, they're not nationalized oil sources, so it'd depend on the private company who operates them determining if Scotland remains in a strong enough position to be worth their investment. There would also be some serious discussion about even those resources would belong to Scotland at all and I think the Scottish answer at the time was that they would nationalize them (IE: take them anyway regardless of the consequences) and that never bodes well for a small nation looking for international investment.

[Azadina]

i think they will, and i think westminster will try to block it

Time for Crimea 2.0 then.

[Deleted]

Time for Crimea 2.0 then.

why would russia invade scotland?

jk, but last time the Independence ref happened, the daily mail actually ran a story about Russia invading Scotland after independence lol

[Logwyn]

why would russia invade scotland?

Haggis tastes better than gruel?

Scotland is better off part of the UK. It will be the same as when Puerto Rico votes to leave the US. Little vote. It won't pass. And things go on as normal.

[Svisalith]

Considering already, the argument for a another referendum is built around the nonsense idea that the entire reasoning for the Brexit was racist in general

Why do you even think that?

[Lagwin]

And do you care?

Obviously with Article 50 looming closer Sturgeon is getting more worried and desperately trying to cling to the EU. Do you think a second independence referendum is inevitable and do you think the Scottish people will leave and risk a potential worst of situation. Personally curiosity kinda makes me want a second independence referendum

Think she'll be in for a shock if there is tbh, first time round i voted to stay in the UK because she wanted to suck up to the EU, and i voted to leave the EU, if she tries again there is a load of extra votes going to stick with remain as part of the UK, all those extra Scottish votes to leave the EU would be voting to stay in the UK and those that feel they were lied to (after the scaremongering to keep us in the EU).

Now if she was wanting to go it alone i would have voted to leave the UK, but now isn't the time to be doing that.

[Sunseeker]

You think wrong.

What a wonderful argument! I see all of your sources correcting me and I can clearly say how wrong I was.

You know "You're wrong" isn't an argument.

[Merlaine]

The SNP will only call a 2nd Indy Ref when they are sure they can win. So far, the Tories are spoon feeding the Scots everything Nicola Sturgeon could have wished for.

In 2014, The last poll before the referendum showed Yes was slightly ahead. This sent Westminster into meltdown and the VOW was made which promised us the closest thing to federalism with regards to devolved powers if we stayed. No sooner had the results come in, with a remain majority and Cameron was screwing us over with making it all about England and the introduction of EVEL. The only extra powers we got were to do with a small part of welfare, road signs and equally unimportant trivia. Make no mistake, we won't be fooled twice. Similarly, all those promises about the only way to stay in the EU as part of the UK, saving the NHS, pensions etc all turned out to be falsehoods.

The EU is a big game changer for Scotland. We don't to be part of the xenophobic Little Britain England is turning into. We believe we can be stronger for our differences, not weaker. That means recognising we are not the centre of the universe, but part of a larger continent and a larger world. We voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU because we realise the value of immigrants and others who choose to make their home here.

With regards to being able to afford going alone, to many it seems far safer than choosing to stay part of the UK with it's ever plummeting pound. Given our assets of oil, renewable energy, tourism whiskey, food and drink etc, we can easily stand on our own two feet, especially when we will no longer have England to subsidise. Before anyone jumps in with 'it's the other way round' - Nope, it isn't, go do your own research and stop believing the lies of the msm. Why do you think England are fighting so hard to hang on to us? It's not because they love our accent.

[Sunseeker]

There was talk of re-nationalising the recently privatised Royal Mail, if Scotland had became independent, but there was never any suggestion that the North Sea petrochemical industry would be nationalised.

It's difficult to find evidence of something that didn't happen. If you have something to support your argument I'd be interested in reading it.

I merely said "I think", it's been a while. The post you just made could have been made before and is probably the source of my confusion.

[sarahtasher]

Of course, of course. Brexit is ''smurt people getting out of leftist quagmire'', but Heaven forbid Scotland playing the same game. It's verboten.

[Theodarzna]

Would the EU take in Scotland? I mean in the UK wasn't Scotland a net drain in the form of Welfare services dependency? I think the EU has enough trouble with Italy, Spain, Portugal and Greece.

[Deleted]

Would the EU take in Scotland? I mean in the UK wasn't Scotland a net drain in the form of Welfare services dependency? I think the EU has enough trouble with Italy, Spain, Portugal and Greece.

There's no guarantee Scotland would be accepted

[AeneasBK]

Considering already, the argument for a another referendum is built around the nonsense idea that the entire reasoning for the Brexit was racist in general, leaving the UK to potentially (if they'll alow them in) join a growingly right-wing and increasingly financially troubled EU seems a real risk.

Yet after consistent pressure, we're yet to hear a reason that holds up to scrutiny that wasn't "border control". I offer the invitation to yourself also

So its not nonsense at all, its a strong reason a lot of people voted leave. The rest were just idiots Pick one

OT: If we leave Europe then I fully expect another independance referendum.

[Deleted]

There's no guarantee Scotland would be accepted

nicola whatsherface has already been cap in hand to the eu trying to join when the uk as a whole leaves & was told the gtfo.
she's in denial, as are all the remoaners out there.

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OT: If we leave Europe then I fully expect another independance referendum.

they had one in 2014, they'll not get another.