Straight back orcs - what happened?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I'm sure they care, it's just low priority for them at the moment.

[Venziir]

Thralls had like 3 model updates outside the original, Cata he was still hunchback and then in MoP and WoD he had the straight back. Time to get with the times, its long past due..

The MoP model is from 4.2, not MoP. Just sayin'.

[Azarak]

Thrall is literally the only orc I can think of with a straight back, and that is because he was raised by humans... Why would player orcs have a straight back?

[bloodmoth13]

They should, but it would likely need to be grouped with posture options for many other races lest others bitch about it

[Deleted]

Thrall is literally the only orc I can think of with a straight back, and that is because he was raised by humans... Why would player orcs have a straight back?

I'm looking at monitor a little bit confused. You know, that expression when you don't know what to reply, you don't know how to react. I think, sorry, I'm really bit confused right now.

ok. have you played warcraft 3? did you see cinematics, movie, did you play WoD? have you seen official art? played hots maybe?

why would they have straight backs? because they have straight backs, its the hunch that is abnormal. also, this weird argument, Thrall's back straightened because humans raised him? I don't mind odd magic, really, parentalmancy of nurture is fine with me, but kinda creepy.

tldr; orcs naturally have straight backs, peons hunch.

[Deleted]

Like really, they spoke about it being an option. The movie is out and like everything, but there is still no option for straight back. Why Blizzard is so lazy that they won't allow it, simple toggle option? I don't get it, other mmos get many different features everytime, but WoW's customization is still in 90'. Sometimes I think it might be because of how many people are defensive bout WoW and praise Blizz for everything, there is not enough voice in the crowd, I don't know. I'm not maining orc or anything, butI was rewatching movie today and I thought: whyyyy. They look heroic standing straight, prideful and strong. And in game they well, you know.

option, optional thing, why is it not theree?

I'll give you credit for one thing, WoW game Orcs and WoW Movie orcs are nothing alike. The ones in the game are hunchback mouthbreathers(literally) who make caveman noises during any given interaction.

[Deleted]

I'll give you credit for one thing, WoW game Orcs and WoW Movie orcs are nothing alike. The ones in the game are hunchback mouthbreathers(literally) who make caveman noises during any given interaction.

well, they did the sounds during fights in the movies too. and during wod cinematic also I think, but they kepr their backs straight. really straight back magically turns them to be these hulking heroic presence. such small thing makes cinematics great.

I mean, thre is a reason why Blizzard themselves didn't use hunch during cinematics, right?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Thrall is literally the only orc I can think of with a straight back, and that is because he was raised by humans... Why would player orcs have a straight back?

That's because they gave him a custom model. Orcs have always stood tall, they just had different plans when WoW was made. Custom models can get away with looking specific tall or what not because the armor is designed specifically for the model itself. Has nothing to do with the fact Thrall was raised by humans.

[Gloriandus]

Likely the a cryptic story reason like was given in the episode of Deep Space Nine as to why Klingons in the past didn't look like Worf.

Basically, "Long story, don't ask."

[darklogrus]

The MoP model is from 4.2, not MoP. Just sayin'.

So since patch 4.2 was in the works Blizzard realized that Orcs with hunchbacks look lame as fuck

[Deleted]

So since patch 4.2 was in the works Blizzard realized that Orcs with hunchbacks look lame as fuck

yep, somebody there said: money, money from advertising, money! but when players get into actual gameplay? to hell with them!

they don't want to present them as such to us, but they let us play them. would like to see it as part of some patch in Legion, and maybe few new hairstyles, because why not? and about hair I mean for all races

[Azarak]

I'm looking at monitor a little bit confused. You know, that expression when you don't know what to reply, you don't know how to react. I think, sorry, I'm really bit confused right now.

ok. have you played warcraft 3? did you see cinematics, movie, did you play WoD? have you seen official art? played hots maybe?

why would they have straight backs? because they have straight backs, its the hunch that is abnormal. also, this weird argument, Thrall's back straightened because humans raised him? I don't mind odd magic, really, parentalmancy of nurture is fine with me, but kinda creepy.

tldr; orcs naturally have straight backs, peons hunch.

http://bestgamewallpapers.com/files/...c-campaign.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eh4960bebOE/maxresdefault.jpg
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20140924102803
http://static.mnium.org/images/conte...mash_01_sd.jpg
https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/wow...3bb9c23cb5.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/j_kt2ePwXbg/maxresdefault.jpg
http://img2.looper.com/img/gallery/w...hat-an-orc.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V1WC83v_7XU/maxresdefault.jpg

I mean, I can link hundreds, but they all look pretty hunched over to me. Possibly not as much as the player characters, but the player characters have never looked quite as good as the hulking orcs we see in cinematics (none of the races look as good), but they all do hunch over a bit.

Also, you seem to think a hunched back is genetic. All orcs CAN straighten their back, and Thrall CAN hunch over if he wanted to. Just like real life humans can grow up to have hunched backs. Or they can grow up to be tall and straight; it is entirely tied to how their posture is when growing up. If an orc lives his whole life hunching his back, that is the way his body will be inclined to stay. Or in Thralls case, since he is around humans for the first half of his life, he grows used to having a tall straight posture. It is no "odd magic."

P.S. seriously calm down with the angst and have a civil conversation.

[Hctaz]

Yet orcs are none of those things. They are invaders that brought death and corruption with them. However, that corruption consumed them because they were too weak to fight it off themselves... so they had to be subjugated for their own good.

Orcs are a broken people and their posture supports that.

Except you're just... wrong? I guess. Only peons had hunchbacks. Pretty much every other orc in the lore is a straightback orc. The only hunched back ones are peons.

[WildberryFan]

I fuly agree, but let's be honest, straightening orcs back is far easier than updating models for these races. but of course they should have get their fixed long time ago, at the beginning of legion.

it is just orcs are so iconically straight standing. I just thought while reading some post on official forum:

how would you feel if you were to visit cinema, watch warcraft movie, get a starter copy of it, install thinking I DURATAN AXXE YOUU, and then you realize that your orc is broken, you try to make another character, check settings, different options in character creation and finally you are stuck with peon. and no, I don't mean that hunched back is wrong, it gives a sense of savagery and such, but optional straight back is a long looong missed feature option

I really want the damn hunch removed or just give us the option to make an upright orc.some of my friends who have seen the movie refuse to play the game because of the retarded model(they like the orcs in the movie)
Blizzard should did that at the beginning of legion.

[Deleted]

http://bestgamewallpapers.com/files/...c-campaign.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eh4960bebOE/maxresdefault.jpg
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20140924102803
http://static.mnium.org/images/conte...mash_01_sd.jpg
https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/wow...3bb9c23cb5.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/j_kt2ePwXbg/maxresdefault.jpg
http://img2.looper.com/img/gallery/w...hat-an-orc.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V1WC83v_7XU/maxresdefault.jpg

I mean, I can link hundreds, but they all look pretty hunched over to me. Possibly not as much as the player characters, but the player characters have never looked quite as good as the hulking orcs we see in cinematics (none of the races look as good), but they all do hunch over a bit.

Also, you seem to think a hunched back is genetic. All orcs CAN straighten their back, and Thrall CAN hunch over if he wanted to. Just like real life humans can grow up to have hunched backs. Or they can grow up to be tall and straight; it is entirely tied to how their posture is when growing up. If an orc lives his whole life hunching his back, that is the way his body will be inclined to stay. Or in Thralls case, since he is around humans for the first half of his life, he grows used to having a tall straight posture. It is no "odd magic."

P.S. seriously calm down with the angst and have a civil conversation.

You have shown me orc in battle pose and other screenshots of orcs with straight back, especially Garrosh walking on the bridge. taking aggressive pose, that is looking down has nothing to do with hunch, and Grommash? these are his large muscles not a hunch. please, go and re watch these screens again.

who would want to hunch and look like peon? no orc that I know

and about that W3 screenshot, as I have said, battle pose, normally they look like this: http://www.mobygames.com/images/shot...c-campaign.jpg

even human is a little bit hunched during mop cinematic, because battle pose, battle pose, battle pose, nothing to do with normal back.

sitting durotan hunched? for real? oh come on

[ravenmoon]

http://bestgamewallpapers.com/files/...c-campaign.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eh4960bebOE/maxresdefault.jpg
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20140924102803
http://static.mnium.org/images/conte...mash_01_sd.jpg
https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/wow...3bb9c23cb5.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/j_kt2ePwXbg/maxresdefault.jpg
http://img2.looper.com/img/gallery/w...hat-an-orc.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V1WC83v_7XU/maxresdefault.jpg

I mean, I can link hundreds, but they all look pretty hunched over to me. Possibly not as much as the player characters, but the player characters have never looked quite as good as the hulking orcs we see in cinematics (none of the races look as good), but they all do hunch over a bit.

Also, you seem to think a hunched back is genetic. All orcs CAN straighten their back, and Thrall CAN hunch over if he wanted to. Just like real life humans can grow up to have hunched backs. Or they can grow up to be tall and straight; it is entirely tied to how their posture is when growing up. If an orc lives his whole life hunching his back, that is the way his body will be inclined to stay. Or in Thralls case, since he is around humans for the first half of his life, he grows used to having a tall straight posture. It is no "odd magic."

P.S. seriously calm down with the angst and have a civil conversation.

WEll peoplle forget that wow is not exact, every orc in an imaginery real life setting doesn't look exactly like the in-game model variations, and often in-game models are construed that way for silhouette purposes, still as orc is a founding race of warcraft, it's one of the first ever models done, next to human, - and the hunch has been there, it's iconic representation of the race, and that's the thing. I look at most of the orcs from WC1 to now, and I see, yeah they are hunched. I use to think straight backed was better, but i notice that is usually the exception for outstanding individuals only. To not be a bit hunched, they have made it feel like it's not very orcish - which is kinda why I think a half-orc or possibly and/or a brown orc can get away with it.

You need a new orc race, tha'ts not quite the orcs, but close - as it's only green orcs that have this look, they could give Brown orcs a straight back look and ofc half-orcs, as they are a different race/group of orcs. Brown orcs have not been altered by fel magic, but green orcs have, in a way nightborne are night elves altered by the nightwell, whereas brown orcs are the original. they look similar but a different.

So with brown orcs you can do straight backed without stepping on any toes, and you can also have a different design for half-orcs. Because the orc is so iconic, I don't see them changing it, but I see at least them providing the option in the brown orcs and possibly half orcs.

[Azarak]

You have shown me orc in battle pose and other screenshots of orcs with straight back, especially Garrosh walking on the bridge. taking aggressive pose, that is looking down has nothing to do with hunch, and Grommash? these are his large muscles not a hunch. please, go and re watch these screens again.

who would want to hunch and look like peon? no orc that I know

and about that W3 screenshot, as I have said, battle pose, normally they look like this: http://www.mobygames.com/images/shot...c-campaign.jpg

even human is a little bit hunched during mop cinematic, because battle pose, battle pose, battle pose, nothing to do with normal back.

sitting durotan hunched? for real? oh come on

I mean if that picture of a WC3 orc is straight back, then I guess we're thinking of different things. That orc is even leaning back with his arms spread open and still has his head much more forward than his back and shoulders XD

Yes orcs have huge trap muscles, but thats part of why/how they're hunched over. Even the most muscular human models dont have massive traps like that, hence why they don't hunch over a bit.

About the battle pose thing, unfortunately we'd have to think realistically then. Would Blizzard really care about making straight back models just to have your character hunched over in combat anyway? In WoW combat is what our characters are in 95% of the time unless we're sitting in flightpaths (hunched), picking things up for gathering quests (kneeled over hunched) or sitting on mounts in Dalaran (hunched). If orcs hunch in combat then there's not really anything Blizzard can do for players that do anything other than stand unmounted in Dalaran all day.

Not sure what you mean by a sitting Durotan.

[PizzaBobRoss]

What a mess of a post this has become....

Hi, hello there guys, not sure you remember me, but I am that one guy you gave Chris Robinson and the art team a small headache about this a few years ago.
For Reference: http://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/8626882886

Right, so I made that post back when the remodels were first announced and shown, they still had some time to change it, but didn't. Fears of community backlash were the excuse given at the time. In the end we were left with a tweet from C.Robinson that stated they would eventually come as race options or something of the sort. This was 3 years ago.

Little noise has been made by anyone else regarding this, because we are still waiting for the update. There was enough of an outcry at the time to warrant action, and it wasn't taken.
I am disappointed at best but above all, I am disappointed with these "Blizzard Defense" White knights. Stop defending them. This is their mess up, they need to own up to it and get it sorted once and for all. It is members of the community like yourselves that keep encouraging the postponing of this update, and raised the original fears of backlash!

Orcs are naturally erect. FACT. The only orcs known to be hunched are Peons, orcs born with defects, and Gul'dan, once such orc that was born with defects. the majority of the art, literature, modern cinematics and most of the old one too, HotS, Thrall in WoW post 4.2, Garrosh in most if not all cinematics he appeared, Nazgrim in all of his cinematics, the Warcraft movie, I could go on for days.
World of Warcraft is the only representation of Hunched Orcs. It messes with armor models, specifically helms, mount postures, weapon placements and so on. It is a bad model, and the remake only made the hunch worse, and the gravity of this issues as well. I mean COME ON! Orcs can't even look over their own shoulders, they are higher than their heads!

This model needs fixing, there's no way around it, and the sooner you stop coming up with excuses for Blizzard, the sooner this stops being an issue for anyone.
And regarding those screengrabs "azarak" linked, you showed us mostly erect orcs, with the only hunched example being the Grom model form WoD, with frankly is an abomination. I will give you the orc from W3 but that is it. everything else everywhere, no hunch.

Honestly, stop fighting Blizz's battles, they are big boys, then can do it themselves.

I have done extensive research into this topic, if you have any questions feel free to leave them I will get back to you asap.

[Traveler Voltin]

tweet them if you want to know

[Deleted]

I mean if that picture of a WC3 orc is straight back, then I guess we're thinking of different things. That orc is even leaning back with his arms spread open and still has his head much more forward than his back and shoulders XD

Yes orcs have huge trap muscles, but thats part of why/how they're hunched over. Even the most muscular human models dont have massive traps like that, hence why they don't hunch over a bit.

About the battle pose thing, unfortunately we'd have to think realistically then. Would Blizzard really care about making straight back models just to have your character hunched over in combat anyway? In WoW combat is what our characters are in 95% of the time unless we're sitting in flightpaths (hunched), picking things up for gathering quests (kneeled over hunched) or sitting on mounts in Dalaran (hunched). If orcs hunch in combat then there's not really anything Blizzard can do for players that do anything other than stand unmounted in Dalaran all day.

Not sure what you mean by a sitting Durotan.

they are straight and they would fight straight, little bit hunched, just like humans are tilted.

his chest is straight and so is spine mostly, the head is in different position but it is because of the traps, they have massive backs. , thats it, really.

- - - Updated - - -

What a mess of a post this has become....

Hi, hello there guys, not sure you remember me, but I am that one guy you gave Chris Robinson and the art team a small headache about this a few years ago.
For Reference: http://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/8626882886

Right, so I made that post back when the remodels were first announced and shown, they still had some time to change it, but didn't. Fears of community backlash were the excuse given at the time. In the end we were left with a tweet from C.Robinson that stated they would eventually come as race options or something of the sort. This was 3 years ago.

Little noise has been made by anyone else regarding this, because we are still waiting for the update. There was enough of an outcry at the time to warrant action, and it wasn't taken.
I am disappointed at best but above all, I am disappointed with these "Blizzard Defense" White knights. Stop defending them. This is their mess up, they need to own up to it and get it sorted once and for all. It is members of the community like yourselves that keep encouraging the postponing of this update, and raised the original fears of backlash!

Orcs are naturally erect. FACT. The only orcs known to be hunched are Peons, orcs born with defects, and Gul'dan, once such orc that was born with defects. the majority of the art, literature, modern cinematics and most of the old one too, HotS, Thrall in WoW post 4.2, Garrosh in most if not all cinematics he appeared, Nazgrim in all of his cinematics, the Warcraft movie, I could go on for days.
World of Warcraft is the only representation of Hunched Orcs. It messes with armor models, specifically helms, mount postures, weapon placements and so on. It is a bad model, and the remake only made the hunch worse, and the gravity of this issues as well. I mean COME ON! Orcs can't even look over their own shoulders, they are higher than their heads!

This model needs fixing, there's no way around it, and the sooner you stop coming up with excuses for Blizzard, the sooner this stops being an issue for anyone.
And regarding those screengrabs "azarak" linked, you showed us mostly erect orcs, with the only hunched example being the Grom model form WoD, with frankly is an abomination. I will give you the orc from W3 but that is it. everything else everywhere, no hunch.

Honestly, stop fighting Blizz's battles, they are big boys, then can do it themselves.

I have done extensive research into this topic, if you have any questions feel free to leave them I will get back to you asap.

exactly. Blizzard need not to lift a finger, defender white rangers will do it for them.