Final Presidential Debate - October 19, 2016

[Moralgy]

What debate were you watching?

Trump talked about how "stupid America" is and how smart Putin is, where Hillary interjected and said "because you are a puppet". At this point Trump went with the ol' Peewee Herman, 'you are the one... you are the puppet'...

I guess "NOU" is the solid comeback to about anything to some people.

[May90]

Syria is russias ally. so hes helping them to not be overthrown. if Saudi Arabia was being attacked by rebels would we not help Saudi Arabia government?

Not clear, actually. Saudi Arabian government is inconvenient to the US for multiple reasons. It gets support for now as a major trading partner and a military ally in a hostile area, but were this government to fall and to be replaced by a more democratic one - who knows, maybe it would be for the best, and the US wouldn't be helping the current monarch.

[waitwutt]

And the USA is and has been supporting the opposition government, against Assad.

If, in your hypothetical, the USA was launching air strikes against those rebels, and some significantly-more-powerful nation supporting those rebels said "yeah, cut that out, any more planes in the air and we'll take offense", then yes, the US should think long and hard about what they're doing, because breaking that no-fly zone will provoke a reaction they can't handle.

This is the issue; you folks keep acting like Russia's the same superpower that the Soviet Union once was, and it isn't.

so if we are helping our ally and some big country says stop helping your ally we should just say yes sir no more helping from us because were cucks that let you do anything you want to our allies. so because US is threatening war Russia should say "alright sure overthrow all the people were allied with, no prob"

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Not clear, actually. Saudi Arabian government is inconvenient to the US for multiple reasons. It gets support for now as a major trading partner and a military ally in a hostile area, but were this government to fall and to be replaced by a more democratic one - who knows, maybe it would be for the best, and the US wouldn't be helping the current monarch.

we have a president bowing to the kind of Saudi. you bet your ass usa will help if rebels attacked.

[Noxx79]

so if we are helping our ally and some big country says stop helping your ally we should just say yes sir no more helping from us because were cucks that let you do anything you want to our allies. so because US is threatening war Russia should say "alright sure overthrow all the people were allied with, no prob"

What are you even talking about now? You're spouting gibberish.

BTW, Trump is the one who doesn't want us to assist our allies unless we have them "pay their fair share" -- which they are already doing

[waitwutt]

They explain it pretty clearly.... you know what I find funny? You putting up Trump saying he will do what ever he can to help him self, as long as it's within law, on the truth meter of fiduciary responsibility. Here I thought people would realize what putting a guy who will do what ever it takes to help him self within the law, in charge of law, makes no sense. Nope, it's how true his responsibility to the country is... that's LMFAO...

so if you didn't have to pay taxes, you would? if Hillary didn't have to pay taxes, she would? so youre saying all people who qualify to be president shouldn't take tax exemptions?

[Breccia]

umm to not give the government more than the required amount? its not a legal responsibility but he would be throwing it away instead of helping his business or family. NO ONE is going to pay taxes if they aren't legally obligated to, when they can use that money to invest.

And he did say it would be wasted. But he also said he had "a fiduciary responsibility to his business, his family and his employees to pay no more tax than legally required."

It is impossible to justify the business and employees in his personal tax returns. His personal tax rate has zero effect on them. And, since he can't claim his kids as dependents, the "family" claim's a little shaky, too. Did Trump file jointly? I don't think he filed jointly.

[waitwutt]

What debate were you watching?

Trump talked about how "stupid America" is and how smart Putin is, where Hillary interjected and said "because you are a puppet". At this point Trump went with the ol' Peewee Herman, 'you are the one... you are the puppet'...

not sure what that has to do with Hillary being a puppet?

[Kujako]

so if you didn't have to pay taxes, you would? if Hillary didn't have to pay taxes, she would? so youre saying all people who qualify to be president shouldn't take tax exemptions?

The issue is not if Trump paid taxes, it's that he ran a campaign in which he called out his Republican adversaries and the sitting President for being "unpatriotic" for not paying enough taxes, while he paid none.

[Breccia]

not sure what that has to do with Hillary being a puppet?

Nobody is sure what that had to do with Clinton being a puppet. It was a stupid thing for Trump to say.

[Noxx79]

so if you didn't have to pay taxes, you would? if Hillary didn't have to pay taxes, she would? so youre saying all people who qualify to be president shouldn't take tax exemptions?

What does this have to do with Politifact and their supposed bias? Again, just because it makes your God-King look bad, doesn't mean that they're biased.

[Dug]

Are you really arguing that Trump's health is more in question than Killary's? These forums never cease to amaze me!

An obese 70 year old man? Yeah it's not even a question

[Felya]

youde have to look at who has done the most damage to the world. and the country. like someone who took away restrictions on banks loaning to people. then gets paid huge sums of money from those banks only to have what they did cause the market to crash in 08 and started conflicts in other countries. the person who was party to that did quite a bit of damage.

Trump has had numerous lawsuits on record. He has companies all over the world taking advantage of every single thing he claims to oppose. Even in his golf course building in Scotland, he lost a dispute over land where a family has lived for many generations. So, Trump built a pointlesss barrier to obfuscate the view the house had and was trying to drive people out. Just as he due in NYC when he would hire goons to scare tenants, cut off their water and heat, bacause residents had legal claim to their homes.

Trump organization donated 100k to Clinton Foundation, as did his daughter and her inlaws. While Trump used his Trump foundation to settle laws suits and bribe officials to dismiss his scam charges on Trump U. You know what Trump did leading up to the crash in 2008? He started a mortgage company and I will let you guess what happened there...

Also, remember, we don't actually know how much Trump is worth, due to being the first presidential candidate from either party, sense George Romney galvanized the electorate over transparency. You combine that, with Trump being on record in court, saying he defines his pay by taking into account the publicity he received for speaking engagements. Places that paid him 10 grand, he would claim was worth hundreds of thousands due to advertisements of the Trump name in announcing his speaking. This means, that Trump can be in deep debt, as he calls him self the "debt king", but claim to be worth billions due to the advertising his name received in the presidential campaign.

So, no, if you compared who did more to damage the country and the world, its Trump. Don't even take my word for it. Think Hillary is a puppet of the corporations? How did you like Trump saying he is just like them in 2 debates? How about the second debate where he refused to reveal more names of Clinton puppeteers, because "They are rich, I don't want to make them famous". Bitter sweet?

[Breccia]

The issue is not if Trump paid taxes

Adding to this: part of the issue is why he didn't.

We've seen Trump take massive losses, multiple times, and that would drop his income to the point where he wouldn't have to pay taxes. Legal, sure. But it goes directly against his sole qualification for office, being a good businessman. If his net income is zero over the court of the 15 years he's claiming to be audited and refusing to release his tax returns, then technically, I'm a better businessman than he is.

Obviously we don't know if his net income was zero as he refuses to release his tax returns. Based on the 1995 leaked page, his income was so low, and his loss was so high, that he could have paid no income tax till 2010 easy. And Forbes had his net worth drop $800 million last year, and he can back-date that three years to 2012. So it's within the realm of possibility.

[Kujako]

Adding to this: part of the issue is why he didn't.

He said why! It was Hillary Clintons fault.

[waitwutt]

So he's not legally required to give the government as little as possible with personal income tax, thanks for proving my point!

that's not proving your point. when trump says "fiduciary responsibility" hes not referring to a legally binding responsibility. hes talking about in order to further his businesses, create more jobs, and increase his families standing he has a moral responsibility to his family. not the country that's just going to use the money to give to iran for no apparent reason.

but yes if youre saying that he should be giving more to the government than called a donation. no one in their right mind would donate to the govt at this point.

[Breccia]

An obese 70 year old man? Yeah it's not even a question

Well let's be fair: he was only obese until his doctor increased his height from 6'2" to 6'3". Now he's only borderline obese.

[Felya]

not sure what that has to do with Hillary being a puppet?

Really? Hillary calling Trump a puppet and Trump responding calling her a puppet... and your reply is that you are not sure what it has to do with Hillary being a puppet? Uhm... you are making no sense... sorry...

[Dug]

Well let's be fair: he was only obese until his doctor increased his height from 6'2" to 6'3". Now he's only borderline obese.

I don't even like talking about their health cause both are old and really who gives a shit, presidential doctors will keep those corpses walking until they need them to drop. But it's laughable that Trump claims he's "healthy" when the dude breaks a sweat just from talking, or that anyone will point to Hillary's health when compared to that hog the republicans propped up

[waitwutt]

What are you even talking about now? You're spouting gibberish.

BTW, Trump is the one who doesn't want us to assist our allies unless we have them "pay their fair share" -- which they are already doing

source for them paying their fair share? good let Saudi fight their own battles.

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The issue is not if Trump paid taxes, it's that he ran a campaign in which he called out his Republican adversaries and the sitting President for being "unpatriotic" for not paying enough taxes, while he paid none.

of all the whining of trumps tax returns ive heard ive never heard them say anything about ^^. so thats obviously not why its a big issue. that being said I have no idea what youre referring to. ive never heard of this. and he hasn't paid none. hes paid LOTS, just not income tax because of deductions hes had.

[Kujako]

hes paid LOTS

Sorry, but you don't know that.