NSA chief openly accuses 'nation state' of using WikiLeaks to tip presidential electi

[Daedius]

How cute, as if the Democrats didn't use the same tactics of defamation with the whole "Grab her by the pussy" recordings and such... Hillary had the backing of the big media to propagate in her favour, of which intentionally skewed information and/or not broadcast things and such...

Like I said, Democrats are fucking hypocrites. More so as a country considering how much the USA interferes with other countries around the world.

So fuck the NSA.

[DeadmanWalking]

Russia doesn't have the required economy to become #1, they'll never beat China in the race to #1. Even if the US disappeared tomorrow, China would already be ahead.
Around 2050 the ranking will be China > US = EU > Russia > Iran > India = UK.

Well they certainly won't be #1 if they accept that timeline. The trick is to change that timeline in your favor even if by hook or crook. Right now China isn't standing in Russian expansionism's way, America, EU and Nato are. Deal with the Chinese later.

[alexkeren]

Yes, a plurality of people even voted for him!

Oh wait

Yet he has a clear majority of the votes the constitution says matter being given to him in a few weeks.

[Independent voter]

Head of the FBI had a lot more to do with the election outcome than Putin, the way the FBI director said he was going to reopen the investigation days before the vote.

Russia is meddling in every country's affairs these days. Who do you thing got Assad to drive all those Syrian Sunnis into the EU as refugees?

[Endus]

People knew HRC was a crook from the beginning.

And yet, for all that people "knew" that, she's never been charged with anything, and every investigation into her actions has determined that nothing she's done would be criminal.

While I agree she was a poor candidate, precisely because the ill-informed were desperate to paint her, for whatever reason, as a "crook", but that doesn't make the propaganda into fact, dude.

The media and liberals/progressives painted Trump to be the most reprehensible person that has ever existed in the history of mankind but HRC could NEVER get above 48% on the polls? You had Grandama running against Attila the Hun and she couldn't break a 48% ceiling?

Sorry, DMW, 60+ million people knew HRC was a piece of shit and they were NOT influenced by Russia or the FBI.

"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise."

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

"The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of the nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies but would be ashamed to tell a big one."

"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. "

Care to guess who I'm quoting? I'll give you a hint; there's two people, but they're closely related ideologically.

[HumbleDuck]

Russia doesn't have the required economy to become #1, they'll never beat China in the race to #1. Even if the US disappeared tomorrow, China would already be ahead.
Around 2050 the ranking will be China > US = EU > Russia > Iran > India = UK.

Your optimistic view on Iran & Russia economy in 40 years made me giggle.

[Warbrin]

lol jesus fucking christ are they still trying to say "BIG EBIL RUSHA" stole poor ol' shillary's emails?
good god, let it fucking go. We already know where the emails came from.

Clinton Mafia cronies just upset they're going to be uprooted.

But I thought it was those pesky Russian's who forged all 30K+ of those 'fake' emails? Wait, are you saying that the DNC, Media, and Shillary were lying?
Are you trying to tell me those emails of Hillary "Can't we just drone strike this guy" Clinton were real and not forged by those big scury ruskies?

Huh, who'da fuckin' thunk.

Stay in school kids.

[Ashnazg]

It's a shame that Russia doesn't want a healthy relationship with the US, claiming their Satan 2 missile can absolutely level a landmass the size of Texas. You can't be friends with someone who wishes you didn't exist. Russia's goal isn't to make friends, Russia's goal is to dismantle any system or government that stands in their way of being #1 and dominating the world.

Taking recent history into account, its not Russia that doesn't want a healthy relationship with US, its US that does not want a healthy relationship with Russia.

Consider that after the collapse of SU, Russia was as pro-US as can be. However, we abused that relationship by screwing them on a number of issues relating to foreign policy, and used those two decades to steal and convert all their former allies to our camp. We also used that time to deliver a humiliating defeat to their long-time allies in Serbia, further highlighting their powerlessness after SU collapse.

This is not a "healthy relationship". US never wanted to make friends with Russia, its goal (to use your words) was to dismantle any system or government that stands in their way of being #1 and dominating the world. Is it any surprise that now Russia wants to do the same?

[IIamaKing]

I hope the left see's the irony of them acting like the nutters they laughed at on the right for 8 years.

[PACOX]

Wonder why the Wikileaks have tapered off... Hmm

[shrunken]

People in a position to testify against the Clintons have had a historically strange propensity for stepping in front of trains or killing themselves. Russia aren't the ones dumping skeletons in that family's closet. The whole Email thing, as offensive as that was to a lot of the country, was just another cherry on top of a sundae covered in cherries.

The Dems should have backed another horse, and I don't mean Bernie Sanders either. The country wasn't going to elect a socialist once it came time for the general election.

[DeadmanWalking]

And yet, for all that people "knew" that, she's never been charged with anything, and every investigation into her actions has determined that nothing she's done would be criminal.

While I agree she was a poor candidate, precisely because the ill-informed were desperate to paint her, for whatever reason, as a "crook", but that doesn't make the propaganda into fact, dude.

"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise."

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

"The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of the nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies but would be ashamed to tell a big one."

"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. "

Care to guess who I'm quoting? I'll give you a hint; there's two people, but they're closely related ideologically.

The kicker is you can tell someone this and then immiediately lie to them and they will not only accept that lie but also spread it on social media. When it is exposed on Social media as a lie the person passing the lie along never goes back to the original source to 'pay the lie backwards' to it's source, it just continues to split off like Hydra heads.

[shrunken]

We also used that time to deliver a humiliating defeat to their long-time allies in Serbia,

You may be whitewashing the regional genocide that was attached to this issue. lmao

[Deleted]

And yet, for all that people "knew" that, she's never been charged with anything, and every investigation into her actions has determined that nothing she's done would be criminal.

The FBI found enough evidence to try her - they chose not to. Comey's reasoning was that no "reasonable prosecutor" would have brought the case. He should have let the reasonable prosecutors decide that on their own.

I know who you quoted - to suggest that Hitler and Trump share the same ideology is ludicrous and most sane, rational people realize that - which is why they rejected that asinine comparison and voted Donald J Trump as the 45th POTUS.

BTW - HRC is not in the free and clear yet. Congress is still going after her and I am sure she is quite terrified of Trump making good on his campaign promise of hiring a special prosecutor to investigate her. Make no mistake, after the collusionary Obama admistration is gone HRC could very easily have her feet held to the fire once again.

[shrunken]

The FBI found enough evidence to try her - they chose not to.

This detail gets completely lost, but is 100% accurate. The House Oversight Committee hearings were interesting to listen to.

[Uzkin]

Lol. Putin managed to instate his choice as the president of the US (Russia's greatest enemy). That is awesomely well played.

[Endus]

The FBI found enough evidence to try her - they chose not to. Comey's reasoning was that no "reasonable prosecutor" would have brought the case. He should have let the reasonable prosecutors decide that on their own.

Which means they didn't find any evidence that would warrant bringing charges. That's explicitly what his report said. You're deliberately misrepresenting that fact, because the lie is so much more useful to you.

I know who you quoted - to suggest that Hitler and Trump share the same ideology is ludicrous and most sane, rational people realize that - which is why they rejected that asinine comparison and voted Donald J Trump as the 45th POTUS.

My point had nothing to do with Trump, and everything to do with the overall trend by the American right-wing to make up blatant lies and spread them around, like "Hillary is a criminal" and "BENGHAZI" and "EMAILS", even though none of that turned out to be much of anything, if you actually dig into the facts of any of those issues on their own merits and without a predetermined hatred based on ideology.

And even then, it's only an overall trend; many Republicans aren't stooping to these lows. Nor does it have anything to do with them being right-wing, it's a push by some select media outlets and a few campaigns (yes, including Trump's) in that mix, and it could easily have been run clean instead.

There are reasons to dislike Clinton. I disliked her, as a candidate. But we didn't dig into that during the campaign, because the big lies are so much more effective, and you don't even need to back them up; when challenged, just spin off into another.

BTW - HRC is not in the free and clear yet. Congress is still going after her and I am sure she is quite terrified of Trump making good on his campaign promise of hiring a special prosecutor to investigate her. Make no mistake, after the collusionary Obama admistration is gone HRC could very easily have her feet held to the fire once again.

And yet, there's still nothing there to take issue with. So why is Congress "still going after her"? She made some poor choices. That's not criminal. It might have been enough (might) to get her removed from Secretary of State, if she was still in that position, but she's not.

It's like then e-mails thing. People on the right were SO CONVINCED that these Podesta e-mail leaks were damning, and I kept asking them to provide even ONE that was objectively terrible for Clinton. And the worst they could show me was someone saying "hey, did you see what this buzzfeed editor tweeted?" Some bad stuff came out for a couple other people, but not Clinton.

[DeadmanWalking]

People in a position to testify against the Clintons have had a historically strange propensity for stepping in front of trains or killing themselves. Russia aren't the ones dumping skeletons in that family's closet. The whole Email thing, as offensive as that was to a lot of the country, was just another cherry on top of a sundae covered in cherries.

The Dems should have backed another horse, and I don't mean Bernie Sanders either. The country wasn't going to elect a socialist once it came time for the general election.

Feel free to post links to proof that people who were testifying died mysteriously. On the other hand people who spoke against Putin have been jailed and assassinated in public. Political opponents have mysteriously poisoned themselves.

[Kujako]

Feel free to post links to proof that people who were testifying died mysteriously. On the other hand people who spoke against Putin have been jailed and assassinated in public. Political opponents have mysteriously poisoned themselves.

But if he provides proof, the Clintons might get him too!

[DeadmanWalking]

Lol. Putin managed to instate his choice as the president of the US (Russia's greatest enemy). That is awesomely well played.

He got tired of having other Russians who he allowed to be elected as president sitting on his knee, he wanted an American Puppet next.