Classic World of Warcraft Discussion [Megathread]

[Eleccybubb]

Growing? Not bloody likely, that movement of wanting Blizz made Legacy servers had its high point during WoD with the attention of popular youtubers and streamers. Now that Legion released those youtubers and streamers focused on Legion because that is where the money is for them.

Exactly this. Soda and Kungen two of the big names don't give a shit anymore. While I dislike Soda he has made his feelings on Legion very clear and well Kungen meh he just gets carried in Mythics and then claims the content is too hard.

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I love it when people unintentionally confirm something they wanted to deny.

Yes, the movement is growing, yes the demand is growing - I know that we are not supposed to talk about the private servers here so I'm just going to make it simple - the amount of people wanting to play on those realms proved to be so huge that I'm actually wondering if the new "alternative" can handle it.

And by saying that Soda or Kugen or any other youtuber went to legion "because that is where money is" just proves that it's not exactly their choice, rather that its just their need to make a living.

I really respect how the youtubers made this topic more known, but in the end - those are just simple people who based their life on streaming and playing games. You can easly just buy their opinions.

Preacher is a good example - the guy made tons of good videos of how Vanilla was great, of how the game is getting worse. Then, when he became known as a wow specialist - he dumped the topic because he knew that he couldnt possibly make any money out of it. If something is your source of income - you don't critisize it. Simple.

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As far as the vanilla vs current expansion (every expansion discussion goes) I feel a lot of people one both sides miss a crucial part of the discussion.

I've played since the game launched with long breaks up to >2 years at a point and can say vanilla was easily the best game experiance I've ever had, but that Legion is the best the game's ever been.

The misunderstanding is thinking that these 2 things contradict eachother which they don't.

Whenever you played the most as a player is when you'll have the most fond memories from, balance and features and other things melt away becasue at the end of the day you play a game to have an experience period. I had the best experience in vanilla becaus I played every free hour for every day for almost a year and those memories are going to be with me forever, and that's amazing coming from something like a computer game.

But I also think that the game is the most healthy it's ever been now, it's as friendly as it's ever been to such a wide variety of players and if you stop obsessing about the things you don't like you'll be able to see in what a good place it's in.

I can go back and see old content and do other leisurely things, I can do 1-2 raid nights per week, run dungeons for gear, run around the world doing WQ to improve my character and get mats. The classes are fun to play and the game looks better than it ever has.

Legion is a better game but it can never compare to vanilla and the feeling and memories it gives. Now I play maybe 1 hour a day on average whereas in vanilla it was 6-8. Even if legacy servers launched, and I would give them a try, I doubt it would ever be the same.

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As far as the vanilla vs current expansion (every expansion discussion goes) I feel a lot of people one both sides miss a crucial part of the discussion.

I've played since the game launched with long breaks up to >2 years at a point and can say vanilla was easily the best game experiance I've ever had, but that Legion is the best the game's ever been.

The misunderstanding is thinking that these 2 things contradict eachother which they don't.

Whenever you played the most as a player is when you'll have the most fond memories from, balance and features and other things melt away becasue at the end of the day you play a game to have an experience period. I had the best experience in vanilla becaus I played every free hour for every day for almost a year and those memories are going to be with me forever, and that's amazing coming from something like a computer game.

But I also think that the game is the most healthy it's ever been now, it's as friendly as it's ever been to such a wide variety of players and if you stop obsessing about the things you don't like you'll be able to see in what a good place it's in.

I can go back and see old content and do other leisurely things, I can do 1-2 raid nights per week, run dungeons for gear, run around the world doing WQ to improve my character and get mats. The classes are fun to play and the game looks better than it ever has.

Legion is a better game but it can never compare to vanilla and the feeling and memories it gives. Now I play maybe 1 hour a day on average whereas in vanilla it was 6-8. Even if legacy servers launched, and I would give them a try, I doubt it would ever be the same.

nice posts and while I think that your intentions are good - you have just repeated the same argument that has been proven wrong - that it's just nostalgia.

For some people - yes, but for some people - absolutely not. I don't miss my experiences, my "feelings" - I had a great life outside the game. I just miss the old system - where you had so many diversed zones, where you needed to group up to beat an elite mob, where the game rewarded you for social play.

I played on nostalrius and it was great. And before you say anything - I did play vanilla and I was a CASUAL player. Never made it to endgame. Because endgame required achiveing something. The game now is more of a MOBA than MMORPG. It's okay, its even great sometimes but its DIFFERENT.

DIFFERENT as in not comperable to the old game. Everybody have to understand that vanilla players are not ones with rose tinted glasses - they miss the game that is not playable now.

Let's put is simple - you have Diablo 3 and Diablo 2. Different games. And while you can argue which one is better - you can play both. Hell, there are lots of people who still play D2. Try to tell them that this is just nostalgia!

you can play D2 and still have fun - but you can't do the same with vanilla wow. Period.

[Natylyaz]

Raenor, you can't just say he has been proven wrong whereas you are clearly describing nostalgia feelings.
Saying he's wrong does not make it a fact.

I loved Vanilla WoW, I have fond memories of it.
But you can't objectively say the zones were more diversed than today. The zones in the most recent expansions are rich and beautiful, and very different from one another.

You may feel the game rewarded you for social play, I feel like it punished me for solo play. I always wanted to continue the story and see the raids, but I couldn't because my timetable did not allow it. It's poor game design to prevent choices. Today, you can play how YOU want and I can play how I want, which is great.

The thing this game really needs, is to make all existing content relevant, and to allow all types of play, not to release an outdated game again.

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You may feel the game rewarded you for social play, I feel like it punished me for solo play. I always wanted to continue the story and see the raids, but I couldn't because my timetable did not allow it. It's poor game design to prevent choices. Today, you can play how YOU want and I can play how I want, which is great.
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This. Yes! the game punished everyone that wanted to play the game solo. This is what I miss - and this is not nostalgia, it's a system. This is an MMO for god's sake! This was an MMO. Now it's really a single player game with MMO aspects.

I played on nostalrius, I have more fun than on retail. You can't deny one thing - now you can play this game without any actual interaction with other people. You just click on what you need.

I can see that even a tool for world quest was just made so you don't have to actually look for groups as it does it automatically. Come on... this is MMORPG? you are kidding yourself.

But this gives me hope, the more this game becomes a single player experience, the more the demand for vanilla and oldschool mmo will grow. Eventually it will become profitable again and even if we wont recieve vanilla realm - and oldschool MMORPG will be created.

The game is like you said - you can play it whatever you like. It means that is not really a single player game, but its not an MMO either. And if something is for everyone than it can't be prefect in any direction.

[Natylyaz]

This does not have to be exclusive, it was indeed a system, but a bad system.
I've also raided and I've been to countless dungeons (obviously not alone).
The game can be targeted at different people, vanilla wow was not, I had a really good time, but I could have had an even better time.

A MMORPG, as you call it, must promote social play. Dungeon finder promotes social play. Flex raiding and dual spec would have saved so many raiding nights in my small guild.
Walking to Scholomance, takes a while, waiting for other people, and realise your forgot your key in Undercity. Stupid system...
For Magister's Terrace, as a warrior tank, I used the Who list, whispered spammed all connected mages, and cleared the instance. Stupid system...

[Deleted]

It's amazing how you're trying to defend something that you know very well is indefensible. It's ok bro, we all want classic servers, but trying to make a case that they're legal or that Blizzard has a hard time suing the people responsible for it is just plainly ridiculous, it makes you look bad.

WTF are you talking about? I never claimed it was legal, not did I try to "defend" anything.
I merely explained why it's so difficult to prosecute these cases.

Learn to read, bro.

[tikcol]

WTF are you talking about? I never claimed it was legal, not did I try to "defend" anything.
I merely explained why it's so difficult to prosecute these cases.

Learn to read, bro.

Did we choose to forget about precedents or were we too oblivious to know about them?

http://www.themarysue.com/blizzard-p...erver-lawsuit/

[deniter]

This. Yes! the game punished everyone that wanted to play the game solo. This is what I miss - and this is not nostalgia, it's a system. This is an MMO for god's sake! This was an MMO. Now it's really a single player game with MMO aspects.

I played on nostalrius, I have more fun than on retail. You can't deny one thing - now you can play this game without any actual interaction with other people. You just click on what you need.

I can see that even a tool for world quest was just made so you don't have to actually look for groups as it does it automatically. Come on... this is MMORPG? you are kidding yourself.

But this gives me hope, the more this game becomes a single player experience, the more the demand for vanilla and oldschool mmo will grow. Eventually it will become profitable again and even if we wont recieve vanilla realm - and oldschool MMORPG will be created.

The game is like you said - you can play it whatever you like. It means that is not really a single player game, but its not an MMO either. And if something is for everyone than it can't be prefect in any direction.

I'd go even further and say it didn't punish them enough. Some classes were able to solo elite mobs, and everyone were able to reach max lvl playing solo if they so desired. I'm not saying you should be in a group all the time, but getting max level with no dungeon runs or group quests done should have been impossible for everyone. Like you said, "it's an MMO for god's sake".

Blizzard has done a good job trying to perfect this game. Sure the game is broken if your players can't play single player story mode. They just forgot the initial game was an MMO, but their "perfect game" will be SPG. They are not quite there yet, but expansion by expansion WoW moves towards single player game and away from MMO.

[Pann]

Did we choose to forget about precedents or were we too oblivious to know about them?

http://www.themarysue.com/blizzard-p...erver-lawsuit/

There was no precedent set, judgement was given in default.

[Deleted]

Did we choose to forget about precedents or were we too oblivious to know about them?

Apparently not since I already addressed that...

That was a private lawsuit in a US court against a US citizen who hosted a US server to which the defendant didn't bother to show up and lost by default.

Not applicable at all in the case of [edited name] or pretty much any other private server currently running.

[Deleted]

This does not have to be exclusive, it was indeed a system, but a bad system.
I've also raided and I've been to countless dungeons (obviously not alone).
The game can be targeted at different people, vanilla wow was not, I had a really good time, but I could have had an even better time.

A MMORPG, as you call it, must promote social play. Dungeon finder promotes social play. Flex raiding and dual spec would have saved so many raiding nights in my small guild.
Walking to Scholomance, takes a while, waiting for other people, and realise your forgot your key in Undercity. Stupid system...
For Magister's Terrace, as a warrior tank, I used the Who list, whispered spammed all connected mages, and cleared the instance. Stupid system...

first of wall - you say it's a bad system, I say it's a great system. You can play your game, a I can't. That is the main point.

Second of all - not every single change made to WoW was bad, some of them were ok. But as for the dungeons entrances - why does everything has to be easy? Ok, now you can easly get to dungeons but nowdays most of the people dont even know where the entrances are. This is just plain stupid. If you like it - okay, your opinion.

and Dungeon Finder promotes social play? WTF Man. This is the system that ruined the entire game, nobody even talks now. Just boring pugs.

You clearly like this game, you enjoy this system. But I don't. And there are many people like me.

[tikcol]

Apparently not since I already addressed that...

"Yesterday, we received a letter of formal notice from US and french lawyers, acting on behalf of Blizzard Entertainment, preparing to stand trial against our hosting company OVH and ourselves"

It's not a secret who they are, they received a letter. They didn't watch a random video from blizzard telling whoever is in charge of nostalrius to shut down.

They know exactly who they are and who hosts their servers. If they do know this much before the trial is even in motion, I can only imagine how much they would be able to know when it really started.

Your denial is borderline pathetic now

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Your denial is borderline pathetic now

Lol, whateves.
"Blizzard can sue and easily win everything but don't because... reasons" and I'm the one in denial, yeah, right...

I explained it how it is, you clearly don't have a first clue what you're talking about, nor do you wish to learn and understand.

So... buh bye

[tikcol]

Lol, whateves.
"Blizzard can sue and easily win everything but don't because... reasons" and I'm the one in denial, yeah, right...

I explained it how it is, you clearly don't have a first clue what you're talking about, nor do you wish to learn and understand.

So... buh bye

Says the dude that thinks that the stealing of IP is easily defensible and that Blizzard doesn't know who is stealing it

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Says the dude

... who knows what he's talking about

[Asrialol]

... who knows what he's talking about

Read your posts. I don't really think you know what you're talking about.

You try, though. I'll give you that.

[tikcol]

... who knows what he's talking about

Care to explain why the Nostalrius crew shut down the servers almost as soon as receiving the letter? Maybe they should have hired an expert such as you that could tell them that stealing Blizzard's IP while they know exactly who is doing it is a great idea

[Deleted]

Read your posts. I don't really think you know what you're talking about.

Believe what you will, that doesn't change the facts though.

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Care to explain why

I ain't gotta explain shit to people who don't care to read anyway.