Increased U.S. growth and stock market gains coming. The reason? Trumponomics.

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Except for that little 900 point dip on the Dow and S&P's tank on futures market on November 8th, sure

You're just wrong, there was no dip, just a minor overreaction in futures in the middle of the night with zero liquidity, but no such panic during market hours

Show me on the graph, where is the dip? - I've added a picture of the S&P 500 for that period below

You can't because you're left clueless and foolish from following the paranoid left-wing narrative

November 9th was a volatile day, but as you can see it was a huge buying day with enormous positive volume, a day of celebration and optimism

[Super Kami Dende]

The difference is that the crazies on the left are not given mainstream political power. The crazies on the right form a key part of their policy decisions.

Lol ok. We'll just pretend over the top Political correctness has been a massive part of Mainstream EVERYTHING for the last 6 years.

[Nathreim]

Except for that little 900 point dip on the Dow and S&P's tank on futures market on November 8th, sure.



Market confidence only does so much; if the underpinnings are fundamentally anemic then it just means we're going to see bigger and more damaging bubbles.

Futures are estimates they are not real there was never a drop just some "experts" expecting a drop that never materialized. Its no more real than a weather prediction calling for rain that never shows up.

Yes market confidence can only go so far but at this point all Trump would have to do is drop the tax rate 5-15% across the board and it would have create a stable environment for growth.

Bubbles are just a natural process of the economy you can only have so much growth before a downturn. The problem occurs when a bubble is kept up artificially as it was with the Housing Market which caused the crash in 08 or right now with the Fed keeping interest rates low. You cant avoid them and trying to actually causes more problems than it solves.

[ati87]

God, this same crap again.

Economy is determined by supply and demand and not given tax breaks to suppliers.

You know what will increase the value of stocks? Lowering taxes and having companies paying those new profits out as dividend. You know who benefits from this shit? A real small percentage of people that actually own stocks (aka the 1%) mostly, everybody else gets breadcrumbs from stock gains.

Want to actually improve the economy? Give the bracket poorest people > middle class a tax break because they spend the bloody money, money that travels from person to person is what boost the economy.

You know what destroys the economy (and the stock market gets effected by it as well). Policies that hurts the poorest > middle class, crap like destroying healthcare (Obamacare), education and everything else that effects the majority of the people more directly then the 1% of the richest people.

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We've had slow and uneven global growth for 8 years (under Obama, etc) along with a rising bubbly stock and real estate market

Now economists and analysts are predicting an increase in growth due specifically to Trump's actual policies

This is not about the stock market - this is about actual growth

Most economist that expect a boom expect it because they believe that the Republican controlled congress will finally do something more then deciding when to take breaks (the infrastructure spending for example).

If President Obama got his way he would have done that infrastructure spending years ago but Republicans blocked everything that involved anything that could have helped Obama and the democrats in general.

[Skroe]

Are you serious? There are plenty of Right Wing/Republican People that tell other Far Right Wing people to stop being crazy. Just how there are plenty of Left Wing people that tell the crazies of their side to settle the fuck down and stop speaking nonsense.

On the right, I am one of them. It wasn't enough. It wasn't nearly enough. Those on the right with power didn't do enough. They enabled it.

The left has it's crazies. But compared to the right, they're pedestrian.

[Gestopft]

Market confidence only does so much; if the underpinnings are fundamentally anemic then it just means we're going to see bigger and more damaging bubbles.

This is the scary part: if wages remain stagnant, but the stock market shows strong growth, we should be very concerned about another bubble bursting.

[Thepersona]

On the right, I am one of them. It wasn't enough. It wasn't nearly enough. Those on the right with power didn't do enough. They enabled it.

The left has it's crazies. But compared to the right, they're pedestrian.

And also, the crazy left is almost nonexistent compared to the crazy right (in numbers)

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This is the scary part: if wages remain stagnant, but the stock market shows strong growth, we should be very concerned about another bubble bursting.

With stagnant wages, and a growing economy (for the top 1%) expect to see a rise in the cost of living (inflation).

[Gestopft]

With stagnant wages, and a growing economy (for the top 1%) expect to see a rise in the cost of living (inflation).

Oh yeah. If wages don't keep up with inflation and the top 1% takes a larger share of new wealth, it's going to be harder for the average American despite what the stock markets are doing. I'd imagine it would also be harder to rebuild after another recession.

[Skroe]

And also, the crazy left is almost nonexistent compared to the crazy right (in numbers)

Yep. And you know what kills me? Even the crazy left is arguably less hypocritical than the crazy right. Check this out. From the Carrier thread.

Way to go Trumpy.

Probably promised them lucrative Government contracts

The implication of this is astounding. A Trump fan, cheering government intervention in a market, in a way that he hopes, would in fact EXPAND the government's share as a percentage of the overall economy in practice (even in this specific case, a marginal way). But as a matter of principle it doesn't matter if it is $100,000 or $100 billion - the government is picking winners and losers and making industries and companies supplicant to it. That is as anti-Free Market, anti-Capitalistic as you can get. Evidently "Make America Great Again" means "Make America France", because that is exactly how things work there.

This is "of the right"... supposedly. But it is so far removed from conservatism or even Republican principles, to even call these people the "Alt-Right" in a sense, is a sham in and of itself.

These are Second Amendment Worshipers who have nothing but Contempt for the First who thirst not just for big government, but super-big government (that pretends to be small government). It's Chaos Politics. Trump's most prominent boosters on the "far right" will say absolutely nothing about government finances or government debt when he sells T-Bills by the truck load to finance $1 trillion in infrastructure. Because the principles are not important to them, just the power.

At least the far left, as crazy as they can be, seems to generally want to improve the standing of millions of Americans (even in their crazy ways). The far right, I think, would not care if America was a pile of ash and wreckage, so long as they were kings of it.

[AeneasBK]

Excuse my lack of enthusiasm but we are talking about the same stock market that goddamn crashed itself with greed, not even a damn decade ago, and now we are supposed to take their enthusiasm and predictions for Trumponomics as a positive?

That was Obamas fault, clearly

[Deleted]

So far only good things are coming from soon to be president Trump.

That is, if you dont count the extremist lefties that violently protest, destroy property and burn American flags.

[Skroe]

So far only good things are coming from soon to be president Trump.

That is, if you dont count the extremist lefties that violently protest, destroy property and burn American flags.

Yeah the coming spending splurge on our credit card is going to be GRAND.

[NED funded]

The denial is strong in this thread I see

The point is simple: his economic policies are a surprise hit with analysts and economists

Turns out - he was the one with the visionary economic plan, not Hillary - and now the consensus has shifted to: he was right all along

The same economists and analysts who were celebrating Hillary and mocking trump have done a complete 180

LMAO. All economists predicted that Trump would bring growth. If you cut taxes and start spending that is bound to increase the GDP. The problem was the accompanying debt that would come with that growth.

[Deleted]

LMAO. All economists predicted that Trump would bring growth.

No they did not

Before the election the economist and analyst massive consensus (>90%) was a contraction in global growth if Trump won - due to protectionism, increased interest rates, and market instability and uncertainty

After he won and gave that victory speech - complete 180

[ati87]

No they did not

Before the election the economist and analyst massive consensus (>90%) was a contraction in global growth if Trump won - due to protectionism, increased interest rates, and market instability and uncertainty

After he won and gave that victory speech - complete 180

No it hasn't changed...they still warn about the same stuff Trump campaigned upon, we have another topic about how Canada might benefit from the immigration policies of Trump administration.

But if Trump says that he will lower taxes on companies the stock market will gain because that money will go towards investors.

It's just you making up stuff, being selective or not understanding how things work.

[Halyon]

As long as he doesn't set us on a path of destruction in terms of the environment, then profit won't matter at all.

[Gestopft]

Before the election the economist and analyst massive consensus (>90%) was a contraction in global growth if Trump won - due to protectionism, increased interest rates, and market instability and uncertainty

Seeing as he hasn't taken office yet, much of this isn't even applicable. It's all speculation, and as I've said before- rich people jerking it over how much money they think they'll make if Trump and the GoP Congress can do a few things in their favor like cut taxes for the wealthy, repeal Dodd-Frank, repeal Obamacare, his "infrastructure plan," etc.

[Deleted]

No it hasn't changed...they still warn about the same stuff Trump campaigned upon, we have another topic about how Canada might benefit from the immigration policies of Trump administration.

But if Trump says that he will lower taxes on companies the stock market will gain because that money will go towards investors.

It's just you making up stuff, being selective or not understanding how things work.

No - you're the one who clearly don't understand how things work

It's only left wing journalists from fake news sites like CNN, HuffPo, etc that are still issuing dire warnings

The original post actually shows that the top economists in UBS, Goldman etc are now being optimistic

[Deleted]

No they did not

Before the election the economist and analyst massive consensus (>90%) was a contraction in global growth if Trump won - due to protectionism, increased interest rates, and market instability and uncertainty

After he won and gave that victory speech - complete 180

Given the inability of economists to predict anything I'm not sure why you think their opinion matters.

Predicting anything more than three months ahead is basically mathematical nonsense. You get compounding error from random events. Reading the political future from the entrails of a chicken would be more accurate.

I have no idea what Trump will do but given his abysmal record in business, the less the better. If the state department manage to stop him doing anything then the future for the US economy should be bright.

[tikcol]

Amazing

People are still calling Trump a loser and a bad businessman.

The guy is for all intents and purposes the President of the United States of America and a bloody billionaire.

Would you mind comparing his success with your own and rethink the terms you use? I wouldn't want your ego to cease to exist