To all those ilvl fanboys

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

Verral maybe you don't understand how the group finder works. Very few goup leaders are taking time to look at logs. They need 1 or 2 players to round out a team and 9 apply. They pick the 1 or 2 they need and everyone else gets a message from Blizz saying "Your application was declined." Sometimes we pick the highest item levels, sometimes we pick the spec with brez or heroism or aoe stuns. I run with ret pallies regularly - great dps and good team mates - so I wouldn't reject you at all... but I might very well select someone else without ever getting to know how good you are.

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It's not about being declined. It's about groups, from the start, being labeled WAAAAAY higher than they need to be. All this is, is people who are lazy and shit who want to be carried by people far outgearing the actual content.
Why the fuck would anyone 860+ even do a normal mythic to begin with? I perform better than most of these idiots and I'm 20 item levels below them.

I tank normal mythics @880 when they include world quests for artifact power. I usually set the minimum I-lvl to 840 since we're not on a timer and that's what's recommended, but I do list them as "Mythic --- with 880 Tank" just to help them fill faster, and that tends to attract other geared players farming the same WQ.

If you want to be known for your performance rather than your item level, join a guild or at least make some friends so people will get to know how good a player you are. Strangers aren't mind readers and won't take time to look up your logs. Guild mates and friends will take you even when you aren't the best-geared person available, because they know you're fun to run with, that you'll interrupt and focus the right adds, etc.

[tikcol]

It's not about being declined. It's about groups, from the start, being labeled WAAAAAY higher than they need to be. All this is, is people who are lazy and shit who want to be carried by people far outgearing the actual content.
Why the fuck would anyone 860+ even do a normal mythic to begin with? I perform better than most of these idiots and I'm 20 item levels below them.

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But they aren't. Their groups sit there, not getting filled, cus they wanna be carried.

Why are they idiots? Aren't you the one 20 ilevels below them?

That only makes them 20 ilevels above you.

Also, you're not entitled to my group.

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Retail wow database is currently full of:
1) 12 year old kids who care only about item level, but no brain
2) Toxic community
3) Toxic community
4) Toxic community
5) Every in and now you find out some decent people with brain

Don't you wish when there was no item lvl requirement for instances and no one cared about it? Days of vanilla, Burning Crusade, wrath of the lich king...... yeah those were the fun days.

P.S. idiots are everywhere, keep calm, roll tank class and be that kind of asshole if you want.
I'm fresh new char with il860 atm, whenever I want to do mythics/+ i just make my own party and they must obey, everyone obeys the tank!

I've been hearing about 12 year old kids, no brains and toxic community since february 2005

[Druitz]

It's always the same. EN HC is easy doable with 860 ilvl.

But after some time in order to do EN HC you need 870 or even 875 ilvl because it's "easy clear". At the end of patch you wll see. Emerald Nightmare Heroic 880+ and Cutting Edge.

The amount of groups that will accept alts with 855-860 ilvl is very low. And what can new player do? If he got no achievement, nor ilvl he can't raid with pugs.

[Murderdoll]

Oh boy, one of these threads again.

DPS is the easiest spot to fill.

Please repeat. You are the easiest spot to fill.

This means, as a group leader, I can be as picky as I like because you are replaceable.

I dont know you from a bar of soap. You can be the shittest or the best DPS in history. However, I will never ever know that and I dont have 30 minutes to send you a questionare and ask you to submit logs.

Ilvl is just a simple fall back. You can reasonably assume that someone 10 ilvls higher than you is going to put out more damage.

Again, as a group leader. Its my job to pick people, on a whim, to come to my group. I dont have time to sit there and fill it with people who cant burst down a boss. I want to be in and out.

Im going to side with the law of averages and pick the highest ilvl DPS i can.

[TEHPALLYTANK]

PLEASE STOP being the victims of stereotypes and learn to use something except Pawn.
At least check warcraftlogs before mindlessly declining people who can actually shine in your group.

Most people don't decline applicants to groups, they just fill the group and everyone who didn't get invited is automatically declined. Deal with it, and deal with the fact that you aren't nearly as important to random people as you think you are.

[apples]

random dps think they can pull 350k in a 5 man, stand in fire, and still get 3 chests

yea fine, feel free to be subpar

ill just require you to be 885 so your subpar at least pretends to be on a level where we can still 3 chest

[Bryntrollian]

Because it's wrong.

After reading this post, I'm not even sure what else needs to be said for this thread.

[Raiju]

Sorry OP, We'll sim literally every character who signs. I usually see about 15 signs within a minute when I put up farm runs....

Yeah fuck off.

[aGit]

Dude, I get declined for normal mythics because my alt isn't 860. NORMAL MYTHICS!
People are just so fucking dumb it's mindblowing how they even get their pants on in the morning.

how do you know why you're getting declined? you don't know what they're looking for, or if there are people better geared also applying, which there almost certainly are. There is always a reason, but i'm pretty sure it's not that 860 too low for a normal mythic.

[Dominus89]

Then make your own group, instead of making yet another thread about dps having problems getting into mythic+ groups.
Problem solved.

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Noicy Noicy

[Huntermyth]

I always do. A short glance at the numbers which actually mean something does neither take long nor hurt.

you lie and you know it. i would stop right here before embarassing myself more ( if it is possible )

[aGit]

My simDPS is 459724

Rets sure have nice legendaries, my 885 DH sims @413k before the 35th. Yet, the DH bis legendary got absolutely gutted on ptr, and to my knowledge ret ones didn't.

[Temp name]

It's not about being declined. It's about groups, from the start, being labeled WAAAAAY higher than they need to be. All this is, is people who are lazy and shit who want to be carried by people far outgearing the actual content.
Why the fuck would anyone 860+ even do a normal mythic to begin with? I perform better than most of these idiots and I'm 20 item levels below them.

WQ's, decent legendary chance, you name it.
I had an 870 tank sign up for the mythic EoA I ran yesterday on my freshly dinged character. Well, I had 2, but the first one left after he saw my ilvl. And no, I didn't put any ilvl requirement in the title.

[Trumpcat]

Join a guild. I haven't been doing pugs for the past 5 years. I agree with all you say.

[xcess]

Make your own grps and just invite low ilvl ppl if you want. There are low ilvl who are shit too

[Socialhealer]

It's not about being declined. It's about groups, from the start, being labeled WAAAAAY higher than they need to be. All this is, is people who are lazy and shit who want to be carried by people far outgearing the actual content.
Why the fuck would anyone 860+ even do a normal mythic to begin with? I perform better than most of these idiots and I'm 20 item levels below them.

lol usual mmo-c hero, i'm ilvl 860 i don't raid i don't do mythic+ but im fucking world class and better than 880 players.

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

Statistically higher ilvl means higher dps. Generally, i890 person should do more dps than i820 person, for instance.

I would decline you too, becasue I can get anybody with higher ilvl easily, so why should I not?

Yup well said. Also, ret is not good for dungeons. There are much better specs and much more geared people applying you need to realize that you aren't being declined because of what or who you are, it's because others are just better qualified.

[reemi]

Hello there.
I'm casually playing a ret pally, and by casually I mean I no longer raid mythic which I used to do.

I haven't killed a single boss in EN mythic / ToV mythic, I only do HC raids from time to time and only do sub-10 mythic dungeons and Kara.
Currently got 872 ilvl equipped.

So whenever I apply for Maw of Souls boosting groups I get declined for whatever reasons.
I guess it might be that 880 overall ilvl (which the group leaders see when I sign up) isn't high enough to be able to do a +7 or +9 MoS.
Or it's probably rumors that ret paladins are bad in any situation, have no utility whatsoever and the group can't benefit from having a ret.

Now what I want everyone to understand is that ilvl DOESN'T guarantee higher dps. IT. DOES. NOT.
Even a 10 ilvl difference DOESN'T mean the character with lower ilvl is far worse in terms of damage output.
Secondary stats, trinkets and item bonuses STILL matter A LOT.

My simDPS is 459724. I managed to pull 514K dps on Ursoc HC last week (before I had a chance to level my artifact to 35 which is a plain 5% dmg increase).

Now my friend who is also a ret with 7/7 EN M and 2/3 ToV M experience and 889 ilvl equipped with 2 best in slot legendaries sims for 441330 dps.

Notice that it's a 18k difference.

PLEASE STOP being the victims of stereotypes and learn to use something except Pawn.
At least check warcraftlogs before mindlessly declining people who can actually shine in your group.

My 875 RET only push ~ 200k DPS. (I'm Holy )

But, usually, when I want a 400k dps in my group, I do not invite a 872.

Even if you are good, the chance to get a fail dps like me as RET are too high.

[Faenskap]

I doubt it's because they see that it's Verral joining and they really don't like you, but because they need a dps with more utility. You mentioned using Cleanse and BoP, which is good, it's rare to see a dps using the the more specialised tools they have, but I'm afraid that won't cut it for more people. A mage's time Warp will be more benefitial than your tools, sadly.

It's also a case of people linking higher ilvl to higher skills. Sure, one ret can be underperforming with 885 ilvl whereas another is a god with 870, but the 885 guy isn't likely to have obtained that ilvl with normal mythic dungeons and world quests, hence they believe his ilvl comes from more hardcore content.

I'm afraid it just isn't a solution to this - getting declined as a dps despite a respectable ilvl and command of your spec. People just aren't going to check logs for every single dps applicant out there, in case someone with a lower ilvl might be more skilled than someone with a higher ilvl.

When my rogue had a higher ilvl than my warlock, I'd still get declined far more often on the rogue than warlock, because there are so many melee out there, this is probably another reason for you getting declined too.