AMD Zen processors...Are you interested?

[Evildeffy]

There is no cpu called zen anymore. Also intel already have cpus ready incase ryzen is good. Just to kill amd off incase they have a good product. Guy behind the arcitecture is already gone from amd

Both Kaby Lake (same modelling as Sky Lake) and it's successor named Coffee (or was it Cannon?) Lake will not offer mainstream 8C/16T .. in fact Coffee Lake will be 6C/12T which is set for 2018 earliest which is still a full 2 cores behind.

Intel better have a pretty good hidden card for that then.

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If AMD used the stock Blender software direct from the website, this doesn't favour AMD or even Intel for that matter, this is an open software that even you right now can test, those kinda tests aren't backdoor testing, thats really bloody open.

My point was that numbers can be dressed up to be better than they really are.

Not saying that this is the case but it is a possibility and that you should keep that in mind.

[Remilia]

just gave that blender a go
took me 3:30 to render
either something is wrong or my fx-8350 is getting old

I'd go with old.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

There is no cpu called zen anymore. Also intel already have cpus ready incase ryzen is good. Just to kill amd off incase they have a good product. Guy behind the arcitecture is already gone from amd

You're gonna need to give a citation for the "intel has CPUs ready to do" statement. Intel has nothing roadmapped until end of Q2 2017 (Skylake-X / Kabylake-X for the HEDT SKUs) and nothing for the standard desktop product SKUs until Q4 2017/Q1 2018.

Jim Keller is a consultant for microarchitecture design. He works his magic and then moves on to the next consultancy gig. Last time he was at AMD his design nearly put Intel under in the x86 space (they were saved by some very illegal anti-competitive bullshit).

[Sorshen]

just gave that blender a go
took me 3:30 to render
either something is wrong or my fx-8350 is getting old

3:30 seems like... a lot. Way too long for 8t. Retest after system reset with all background apps closed?

[Barnabas]

Soooo, ran the blender test they used, file can be found here http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/new-horizon

Never used blender so just used render image out of the box, my 5820K at 4.3Ghz took 53 seconds.

I'm 1 minute 13 seconds @2.9ghz e5-2670. zen is kind of a hard sell.

[Evildeffy]

I'm 1 minute 13 seconds @2.9ghz e5-2670. zen is kind of a hard sell.

It's only 3 times as fast

Do you game at all? Because that Xeon will not be a winner in gaming.

[Barnabas]

It's only 3 times as fast

Do you game at all? Because that Xeon will not be a winner in gaming.

Yes and like I've stated previously the only thing zen has that is interesting is the encryption tech. I wouldn't go as far as saying 3 times faster when ryzen completed it in 56 seconds in the demo. I mean who cares? would you pony upwards of 1000 usd for 16 seconds?

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

I'm 1 minute 13 seconds @2.9ghz e5-2670. zen is kind of a hard sell.

Which one? The original one, the v2 or the v3? I ask because:

E5-2670: 8C/16T, 2.6GHz base, 3.3GHz boost
E5-2670v2: 10C/20T, 2.5GHz base, 3.3GHz boost
E5-2670v3: 12C/24T, 2.3GHz base, 3.1GHz boost

[Chickat]

What do i render?

[Barnabas]

Which one? The original one, the v2 or the v3? I ask because:

E5-2670: 8C/16T, 2.6GHz base, 3.3GHz boost
E5-2670v2: 10C/20T, 2.5GHz base, 3.3GHz boost
E5-2670v3: 12C/24T, 2.3GHz base, 3.1GHz boost

none of the above. http://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/SR/SR0KX.html

i don't have ida mode enabled so no 3.3ghz. I could though but not when I ran the test. I'd match the person I quoted most likely.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

What do i render?

http://download.amd.com/demo/RyzenGraphic_27.blend

That is the blender render job that Ryzen and the 6900K completed in ~30 (wasn't clear when it actually was started) seconds. (test starts here: https://youtu.be/4DEfj2MRLtA?t=1934 )

The 50ish second job was a Handbrake video render @Barnabas.

So if you did the blender render in 73 seconds it took you twice as long as the demoed systems.

[Evildeffy]

Yes and like I've stated previously the only thing zen has that is interesting is the encryption tech. I wouldn't go as far as saying 3 times faster when ryzen completed it in 56 seconds in the demo. I mean who cares? would you pony upwards of 1000 usd for 16 seconds?

Actually Ryzen did the Blender test in 25,57 seconds where the 6900K did it in 26,01 seconds.

In essence you did it in 73 seconds vs. 25,57.

73 / 25,57 = 2,85 times as fast.

That's actually a substantial difference.

[Barnabas]

Ok I confused the handbrake test with the blender one. Maybe I'll pick one up next year?

[SLSAMG]

Lol synthetic benchmarks...

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Lol synthetic benchmarks...

what amd showcased was all but synthetic benchamrks

[SLSAMG]

what amd showcased was all but synthetic benchamrks

I'm skeptical and will be waiting for a non biased review that showcases real world benchmarks.

And fyi, the ryzen blender demo is a synthetic bench..

[SLSAMG]

Also, this demo was coded by the guys at AMD... Seems a little suspect, don't you think? There's a high probability this 'demo' was optimized to run better on AMD's system than its intel counterpart.

Enough said.

[Evildeffy]

I'm skeptical and will be waiting for a non biased review that showcases real world benchmarks.

And fyi, the ryzen blender demo is a synthetic bench..

A synthetic benchmark they made available for everyone to try and see, whilst yes behind closed curtains you can't really cheat on it if they deliver you the actual blender test itself.

The rest however aren't synthetic.

[Artorius]

Also, this demo was coded by the guys at AMD... Seems a little suspect, don't you think? There's a high probability this 'demo' was optimized to run better on AMD's system than its intel counterpart.

Remember AMD mantle? Enough said.

What? Both Blender and Handbreak are open-source under a GPL license. AMD didn't do any coding. What we don't know is whether they used official binaries from their respective websites or compiled it themselves with different flags. They recommend you a specific version of blender in their website if you want to replicate the tests so we're inclined to believe that's the version they used themselves. But who knows really.

[Evildeffy]

Also, this demo was coded by the guys at AMD... Seems a little suspect, don't you think? There's a high probability this 'demo' was optimized to run better on AMD's system than its intel counterpart.

Enough said.

No, this demo wasn't "coded" by AMD, it was used by AMD as a demonstration with sources you can download from their website to try for yourself and see.

Also Mantle is now Vulkan, LiquidVR and even a large part of DX12.. your point with that one is completely and utterly irrelevant.
Considering that in general the close-to-metal access APIs DO actually perform better on AMD hardware due to their GPU designs.