Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump

[Theodarzna]

Yeah, same with how Liberals started distrusting wikileaks when it was inconvenient for them. These people are who you refer to as hypocrites.

Trump is president, he met Kanya today. Liberals love the CIA and hate Wikileaks, and an internet meme was a legit campaign issue.

What an exciting time to be alive.

What other weird shits going on?

[Ironhorn]

Trump is president, he met Kanya today. Liberals love the CIA and hate Wikileaks, and an internet meme was a legit campaign issue.

What an exciting time to be alive.

What other weird shits going on?

I'm waiting for Kim Jong Un to announce hes stepping down in favor of free democratic elections.

[NYC17]

Member when the CIA lied about WMD's in Iraq?

Or the administration itself intentionally misrepresented what the CIA told them?

[Fox Trodden]

One last post before I go back to the shadows I have been watching mmo-champ from for years before making an account to help you guys think. not all of you, just some.

How do you overthrow a country w/o actually doing it with military? You make them kill themselves.

Not sure why a registered independent has to tell you to stop throwing shit at each other and use your brains to THINK before attacking cause you are doing exactly what they want you to do. I know this isn't AMERICAN only forum, but Left and Right isn't american. they are positions.

Yeah I voted for Trump, do I think he's perfect, do I think he's god? No

But when you are almost at each other's throats over something your GOVERNMENT that you established is saying happened and won't show you their PROOF that nobody, not just their specialist, can debunk.

Maybe there is a problem beyond our frivolous bull shit and we should take a look at it as americans or UK or whatever country you are tossing shit at each other in.

But i'm going to go away now, since i'm not telling you HOW to think, i'm telling you to just think. Exactly what someone going to harm you doesn't want you to do.

Have a good day and do with my messages/account as you will.

[Celista]

What? The statement that the CIA is not trust worthy and has no respect for democracy? I mean they have consistently lied, broken laws and international laws/treaties, and implanted/replaced democratically elected leaders with dictators. The CIA does what is in the best interest of the CIA, and saber rattling against Russia is in their best interests.

Our entire executive/military branches are responsible for that, not simply the CIA. I also don't think we're much different from other Western countries in regard to intelligence agencies.

Plus shouldn't any good right thinking liberal or really anyone be a little alarmed that this domestic spying agency with a track record of evil a mile long is so invested in trying cast out the election results in this country?

What is their game in this? Like seriously, are all the Liberals so blinded by hatred of Trump and butthurt in defeat that they trust the CIA now?

I've always trusted the CIA. I would like to see the intelligence suggesting Russian involvement and to what extent, I don't care about things like leaked emails. If there is some legitimate evidence regarding Russian interference in the elections then I would like to hear it.

I think the FBI director's decision to "reopen" Hillary's emails right before the election was planned election interference, and Comey should get the sack for it. Or be penalized through the legal process.

Hillary made a lot of missteps in her campaign so I think it's wholly possible that any sort of Russian involvement would have had little/no impact on the election outcome. But we shouldn't ignore intelligence reports just because people don't like the CIA. Who the hell are we supposed to trust if there was outside involvement by another nation? Wikileaks is not a substitute for intelligence agencies.

[Fargus]

Trump should just denounce any sort of Russian involvement instead of making statements that make him look insta-shady.


Yes let's trust the Russians over the CIA. Would you like to borrow my tinfoil hat? The CIA is not a partisan organization and Obama is talking about possibly declassifying the intelligence.

Yes, because the CIA is such the bastion of truth to the American public.

[Celista]

Member when the CIA lied about WMD's in Iraq?

Pretty sure that was the Bush Administration.

[Theodarzna]

Our entire executive/military branches are responsible for that, not simply the CIA. I also don't think we're much different from other Western countries in regard to intelligence agencies.

I've always trusted the CIA. I would like to see the intelligence suggesting Russian involvement and to what extent, I don't care about things like leaked emails. If there is some legitimate evidence regarding Russian interference in the elections then I would like to hear it.

I think the FBI director's decision to "reopen" Hillary's emails right before the election was planned election interference, and Comey should get the sack for it. Or be penalized through the legal process.

Hillary made a lot of missteps in her campaign so I think it's wholly possible that any sort of Russian involvement would have had little/no impact on the election outcome. But we shouldn't ignore intelligence reports just because people don't like the CIA. Who the hell are we supposed to trust if there was outside involvement by another nation? Wikileaks is not a substitute for intelligence agencies.

First, Ah the "Hey, he is only 1 guy in the Stasi!, not the whole Stasi!" defense.

Second, Is Comey a Russian Spy? I wonder how crazy this story is going to get.

Third, Right now the involvement seems to be that a Russian might have hacked the DNC emails and got Hillary's transcripts. So.... what? OMG the Evil RUSSIANS revealed that Hillary was the horrible person everyone and their mother knew she was but just received confirmation.

Finally, this all reeks of McCarthyism to try and defend unpopular governments and suppress anger with the status quo. "Don't be angry, that is just serving the evil foreigners in Russia!"

[Celista]

Yes, because the CIA is such the bastion of truth to the American public.

Who else do you suggest we trust in the event of a national security breach?

[Captain N]

Pretty sure that was the Bush Administration.

Quick -- Name the person in that Administration whose Haliburton profited from that visit into Iraq!

[Fargus]

Our entire executive/military branches are responsible for that, not simply the CIA. I also don't think we're much different from other Western countries in regard to intelligence agencies.

I don't remember the New Zealand intelligence service destabilising foreign governments?

I've always trusted the CIA.

Then you're a naive fool.

Wikileaks is not a substitute for intelligence agencies.

It is when the CIA is a corrupt institution that hides things from the public like torture programs, destroys evidence when they are subpoenaed, and a whole load of other shit that's illegal (and used against their own people, like MKUltra). Yet you trust them??

[Hooked]

I think it lies to cover up #pizzagate.

[Celista]

First, Ah the "Hey, he is only 1 guy in the Stasi!, not the whole Stasi!" defense.

Second, Is Comey a Russian Spy? I wonder how crazy this story is going to get.

Third, Right now the involvement seems to be that a Russian might have hacked the DNC emails and got Hillary's transcripts. So.... what? OMG the Evil RUSSIANS revealed that Hillary was the horrible person everyone and their mother knew she was but just received confirmation.

Finally, this all reeks of McCarthyism to try and defend unpopular governments and suppress anger with the status quo. "Don't be angry, that is just serving the evil foreigners in Russia!"

Better than strawmanning or cherry-picking. I agree with the rhetoric we have been hearing about Russia but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take the intelligence seriously. If that is all Russia's involvement amounts to then the intelligence should be declassified.

Obama doesn't seem all that interested in staging a political coup so I don't see why he'd bother looking into the intelligence unless he thought it was a big deal. It's very unlikely that any sort of intelligence will sway electors at this point. It's all speculation unless we know what the intelligence is about.

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I don't remember the New Zealand intelligence service destabilising foreign governments?


Then you're a naive fool.


It is when the CIA is a corrupt institution that hides things from the public like torture programs, destroys evidence when they are subpoenaed, and a whole load of other shit that's illegal (and used against their own people, like MKUltra). Yet you trust them??

You didn't answer my question. What other entity would you trust for US intelligence matters?

[Hooked]

I don't trust CIA director Brennan either, he is a suspicious fellow with a dubious past.

Look up brennan and jeda 9/11.

[Celista]

Quick -- Name the person in that Administration whose Haliburton profited from that visit into Iraq!

I saw a picture of Dick Cheney in direct sunlight once. I thought his skin would sparkle before immediately bursting into flames, like the vampires in Twilight.

[Captain N]

I saw a picture of Dick Cheney in direct sunlight once. I thought his skin would sparkle before immediately bursting into flames, like the vampires in Twilight.

You know I used to like you...and then you had to go and reference Twilight.

For shame Celista...For shame!

[Fargus]

You didn't answer my question. What other entity would you trust for US intelligence matters?

I did. I'd trust Wikileaks over the CIA.

[Theodarzna]

Better than strawmanning or cherry-picking. I agree with the rhetoric we have been hearing about Russia but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take the intelligence seriously. If that is all Russia's involvement amounts to then the intelligence should be declassified.

Obama doesn't seem all that interested in staging a political coup so I don't see why he'd bother looking into the intelligence unless he thought it was a big deal. It's very unlikely that any sort of intelligence will sway electors at this point. It's all speculation unless we know what the intelligence is about.

Russia is accused of what exactly? A Russian helped release emails and transcripts which proved.... Hillary Clinton is the person everybody but Wells and Nixx thought she was.

[Celista]

I did. I'd trust Wikileaks over the CIA.

That is pretty crazy, especially since Wikileaks is far from any sort of official intelligence agency, has limited resources, and Julian Assange isn't exactly free of bias or agenda.

I don't have anything else to say to that. You may borrow my tinfoil hat.

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Russia is accused of what exactly? A Russian helped release emails and transcripts which proved.... Hillary Clinton is the person everybody but Wells and Nixx thought she was.

Obviously we don't know as the intelligence is classified...

[Ragedaug]

"The Russians influenced the election by telling us the truth about what the Democrats have been doing!!!!"

The problem boils down to the tattle not being worse than the tale. I'm not even sure how you prosecute the tattle. Regardless, the tale was that the Clintons, the DNC, and the media were conspiring against the American people. Then instead of getting upset at what they did, we are supposed to get upset that they got caught.

If they hadn't have done what they did, then it wouldn't have mattered what foreign governments were doing with their email.

That said, the DNC should probably look to 1) tighten their cyber security, and 2) stop trying to cheat.