Liberals should watch this video

[Sky High]

He argued from many populist liberal positions. Every single.onr will be abandoned. He will fulfill none.

mhm, but I can already imagine the glossed over look on trump supporters faces when this will be brought up.

[Queen of Hamsters]

No they don't. All the nations that have taxpayer funded healthcare spend far less per person for similar outcomes. It varies anywhere from 3/5 less to 1/3 less.

The actual facts belie your statements.

Oh and the ones that have the closest costs? They are the ones that are the most free market like.

Facts don't belong in 2016!! We live in a time where people are regressing back to believing only what they can see in front of their stupid faces IF they agree with what is shown. That depends on how they feel about it. "I don't agree, it doesn't suit my agenda/feelings ERGO it isn't real"... That old chestnut.

[Asotcha]

Conservatives should watch this one -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi_2GcNpMOs

I love that guy! Hope we can protect social security from those scum sucking bastards.

[Shadowmelded]

Of course what actually happened is quite complex; I could not agree more. However, I was just glad to see a Liberal admit that this shouting down ideas thing accomplishes nothing. If your ideas can't win the argument on their own, they aren't good enough ideas. One should not need to resort to name calling and the like to make a point. It shows a feeble grasp of intellectual discourse to just insult without providing an actual argument.

Except even that is still an oversimplistic analysis. I mean thinking more about it, the video contradicts itself by saying that the left need to put forward arguments yet highlighting the fact that Hillary lost due to optics. Hillary had the better policies, the problem was no one was paying attention to them because Trump dominated the media. The namecalling point is kind of ridiculous and the implication that only one side does it, even more so.

[Masark]

Luckily, Obama fixed it all though, and now everything is cheap and effective, right?

Nope, thanks to Republicans in general and Lieberman specifically, you implemented a half-assed Bismark model system, and while it is an improvement on your previous system, it still doesn't meet any definition of "functional" that would be acceptable in nations that are your peers.

[callipygoustp]

Do you think you can insult your way in to the hearts of voters?

Worked for Trump.

[Wells]

Mockery IS the thread topic, after all. This isn't a policy thread.

Oh get off it. You're patient zero for whining about people being insulting and dismissive while leveling some of the most ridiculous and stupid shit we see here. For instance, you've spammed this probably half a dozen times likes it clever

Nobody said you could talk.

Nobody said you could talk.

[drakensoul]

Yeah, there is only one nation that spends more than even one of our ways. We spend double and get half the results. Luckily, Obama fixed it all though, and now everything is cheap and effective, right?

Ahh... you thought it would be like *poof* and the U.S. bar would fall in line with the others? That's what you're contending should happen, right?

Change takes time. Many years of a population pointing and laughing and denying while things slowly move. Have to change the healthcare system and allow the surrounding social constructs to morph and adapt and fit with the changes. While combating obstructionism. Doesn't happen in four years. Doesn't happen in one step. I would think that's a fairly obvious reality?

But if you have a better idea for how it could happen. Conservatives!!! Make your case!!!!!!!!!! Don't just insult and mock, it doesn't win votes.

Or something.

[HumbleDuck]

If you are gonna blame anyone for Trump it should be the ones who actually voted for the man.

But how can you blame the people who are always victims?

[buck008]

^^This. Make your case Liberals! Don't just insult, tell us WHY your way is better. This is particularly important when you want us to re-try things that already failed, like Bernie's entire platform.

Bernie is a Keynesian economist. Is your argument that Keynesian economics do not work? I'd love to compare notes with Keynesian vs Reagan era top-down economic policy that Trump espouses in effectiveness.

[Glorious Leader]

mhm, but I can already imagine the glossed over look on trump supporters faces when this will be brought up.

They have enough security blankets in the media they can run to who will give them a great narrative that can help them out. In 8 years i'm sure it will still be the marxist kenyan socialists fault.

The KEY for democrats is to HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH any of the disastrous shit that's gonna end up happening. They need to be in lock step opposing all their awful policies, on record as doing so and on record as not supporting any of it. You can't give the republicans an out. If you support for example the appeal of the ACA as a democrat you just gave the republicans a convenient scapegoat for when the entire thing collapses.

[Tijuana]

Of course not, Obama was a fucking pussy on this issue and bowed down to the conservatives instead of adding a public option like there should have been the entire fucking time.

How did he bow down to conservatives, when ZERO voted for it, and ZERO of their votes were needed. He could have passed anything he wanted; he had a rare super majority. Democrats argued with themselves, not Conservatives.

[alexw]

It'll be funny to see what happens when none of that survives the GOP.

Survive the GOP? Those policies won't survive Trump. He just lied about them. Him putting medicare privatization advocate in charge of the program as Health Secretary tells you everything you need to know.

But in a way I'm kinda glad. It will give the people of the old white peoples party exactly what they voted for.

[Tijuana]

How exactly did Bernie's entire platform already fail? o.O That's like saying Trump's entire platform already failed...

Neither has ever been implemented.

Most of what Bernie's platform was ripped straight from 1960s sit ins. We did all that shit in the 1970s and it failed hard.

[Elegiac]

How did he bow down to conservatives, when ZERO voted for it, and ZERO of their votes were needed. He could have passed anything he wanted; he had a rare super majority. Democrats argued with themselves, not Conservatives.

Implying there are no conservative Democrats. Right.

[Glorious Leader]

Bernie is a Keynesian economist. Is your argument that Keynesian economics do not work? I'd love to compare notes with Keynesian vs Reagan era top-down economic policy that Trump espouses in effectiveness.

To be clear he's a post Keynesian. His economic adviser is prof Stephanie Kelton of the uniercity of missouri at kansas city. Bernie himself is what would have been called a new deal democrat like Roosevelt.

[kidstechno]

As someone who identifies mostly as a democrat, this clip is 100% correct. In fact, I shared it shortly after the election results came in.

I do not agree with SJW-ism that has enveloped the party. People should be challenged, you should talk with people with differing views. Safe spaces do nothing but separate people from their reality and getting offended by everything gets you absolutely no where. Labeling an entire voter base as <insert buzzword here> does nothing but prove you're ignorant and does nothing to help persuade others.

Clinton was a flawed candidate. A candidate who was propped up by the DNC's own actions against Sanders (who should have been the true candidate) which alienated Bernie voters and probably caused them to go to Gary Johnson/Jill Stein (and if you look at votes to Jill Stein/Gary Johnson, if those went to Hillary we would have a different president-elect). She had no flair, no new plans, and had the audacity to not take Trump seriously. Granted, no-one in the Democratic party took him seriously as they were too busy congratulating each other on a win way before the election was even over. And the fact that Hillary Clinton didn't even give a concession speech speaks volumes to how out of touch she was.

However, I would agree with the person in the video that I would vote for Lucifer over Donald Trump. Yet, here we are.

[Shadowmelded]

Hillary had the better policies on paper, it's just that nobody believes her because she has been shown to change her position on a whim, usually for the worse.

I'm sure the "You have to have a public position and a private position" speech to wall street didn't help much in that perception either.

*some of the better policies

Like I said, optics. Hillary was extremely guarded which gave off the perception of inauthenticity but I can't fault her for that after 30 years of attacks.

[Glorious Leader]

Most of what Bernie's platform was ripped straight from 1960s sit ins. We did all that shit in the 1970s and it failed hard.

What "failed hard"?

[Tijuana]

Ahh... you thought it would be like *poof* and the U.S. bar would fall in line with the others? That's what you're contending should happen, right?

Change takes time. Many years of a population pointing and laughing and denying while things slowly move. Have to change the healthcare system and allow the surrounding social constructs to morph and adapt and fit with the changes. While combating obstructionism. Doesn't happen in four years. Doesn't happen in one step. I would think that's a fairly obvious reality?

But if you have a better idea for how it could happen. Conservatives!!! Make your case!!!!!!!!!! Don't just insult and mock, it doesn't win votes.

Or something.

No, I didn't expect magic. The bill is a piece of shit and everyone knows it. They just had to pass SOMETHING after chasing their tail for two years. It's a moot point anyway, it's headed for the trash on January 21st.