Best rogue mythic+/dungeon spec?

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There is or was a debate around that arans trinket got nerfed for melees since it was not proccing as it used to. Dont know it its true.

The proc chance is nerfed, but its still an strong.

[Yhcti]

Seems as far as rankings go that Assassination takes over at higher M+ though not always the case as there are a lot of high outlaw also... Both specs seem to dominate m+ groups they record with also

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well i perform good as assas, outlaw may be better in some situations, but assas got alot more control damage, and can ST targets down quick as fuck..

Well kinda RNG with poison bomb, but i guess we have to live with that!

http://www.wowprogress.com/character...hood/Snoogentz

[Adalwolf]

Seems as far as rankings go that Assassination takes over at higher M+ though not always the case as there are a lot of high outlaw also... Both specs seem to dominate m+ groups they record with also

If you have BiS gear for Assassination, with good legendary items, why would you play Outlaw that has poor itemization and no legendary items? People are playing Assassination in Mythic+ because that's what they are geared for. Outlaw has better cleave that's not dependent on procs, and far higher burst on short fights. Overall, Outlaw is stronger than Assassination in any fight with more than 2 targets, until RtB starts to screw you over and your DPS tanks down to 270k.

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People who think Outlaw is garbage unless its lucky(like you) shouldn't talk about Outlaw. Outlaw isn't playing roulette in the way you think it is. I do very consistent dps but someone like you who wrote Outlaw off from day one wouldn't know or understand that(don't expect you too either).

Yes, of course. So for you, if you roll only energy, or attack speed, you will pwn the meters, right? It´s very consistent dps, after all, right?
Only its not, this spec has one of the highest dps variance in the game.

[Sephiroso]

Yes, of course. So for you, if you roll only energy, or attack speed, you will pwn the meters, right? It´s very consistent dps, after all, right?
Only its not, this spec has one of the highest dps variance in the game.

You're confusing a theoretically high dps variance with every pull attempt having unpredictable dps. Like i said, don't talk about Outlaw when you don't know shit about it or how to play one.

[SeLKO]

Subtlety with The Dreadlord's Deceit and Shadow Satyr's Walk... can compete with anyone in terms of total dmg.

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Subtlety with The Dreadlord's Deceit and Shadow Satyr's Walk... can compete with anyone in terms of total dmg.

yap, sub with cloak is decent in aoe.

[Deleted]

You're confusing a theoretically high dps variance with every pull attempt having unpredictable dps. Like i said, don't talk about Outlaw when you don't know shit about it or how to play one.

I think it´s pretty clear that the confused one is you, you dont seem to understand what dps variance is, as shown in simulationcraft, for example, and yes, it means every pull does have unpredictable dps. Maybe you missed the fact that the main mechanic of the spec is actually a roll of the dice?

[Sephiroso]

I think it´s pretty clear that the confused one is you, you dont seem to understand what dps variance is, as shown in simulationcraft, for example, and yes, it means every pull does have unpredictable dps. Maybe you missed the fact that the main mechanic of the spec is actually a roll of the dice?

Whether you crit or not is a roll of the dice. Whether a trinket procs or not is a roll of the dice. Each have their own statistical probabilities. Just because outlaw is literally a roll of the dice, does not mean from attempt to attempt your dps is completely out of your control. I'm done trying to explain to you that Outlaw's dps is not wildly inconsistent. Only people who are complete shit at Outlaw would even claim such a lie.

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Actually RtB is pretty simple. For example:

Take a D6 put it in a dice cup and roll it. If you lift the Cup every result is possible and has the same chance to apply.
So if you would have to roll exactly a 5 it would become pretty difficult. You have a chance of 1 to 6 that this would happen. This is RNG in its purest form.

We all know, in case of RTB, we dont have the same chances to get the highest buff as for the weakest, ok let us stay by only one D6 for the moment but this time you have to roll a 5 OR higher, this task is much easier then the first one. Because you would have a 2 to 6 chance to make this happen. Agree?

And thats it, thats RtB. You are basically trying to get the highest uptime of those 5+ dice rolls and also have a chance that your 1-4 rolls could be worth keeping on various situations. If you are gambling-addicted you'll end up ruined -the bank always wins in every Casino-.

But aslong as you keep calm, only make small bets and dont go all-in (even if you've only lost) you most likely wont end up bankrupt. On some days you might end up losing a litte bit, on some you'll end up winning just a little. But someday you'll surely win the big jackpot.

[Grayjoy]

Whether you crit or not is a roll of the dice. Whether a trinket procs or not is a roll of the dice. Each have their own statistical probabilities. Just because outlaw is literally a roll of the dice, does not mean from attempt to attempt your dps is completely out of your control. I'm done trying to explain to you that Outlaw's dps is not wildly inconsistent. Only people who are complete shit at Outlaw would even claim such a lie.

This guy is totally right. People obsess over Outlaw's variance but forget that Sin has enormous reliance on BotA, bag of tricks, and crit in general. Obviously not as blatantly RNG-based, but Outlaw's only "crime" is putting it's RNG right in front of players, who make bad decisions based off their idea of how to roll the bones.

(I love all specs, btw).

[Deleted]

Whether you crit or not is a roll of the dice. Whether a trinket procs or not is a roll of the dice. Each have their own statistical probabilities. Just because outlaw is literally a roll of the dice, does not mean from attempt to attempt your dps is completely out of your control. I'm done trying to explain to you that Outlaw's dps is not wildly inconsistent. Only people who are complete shit at Outlaw would even claim such a lie.

I think you are confusing luck with "skill". You can do 400dps on a pull if you get bad rolls your whole curse, or you can do 800k if you suddenly get 6 rolls pre pull.

Yeah this is not inconsistent at all you´re right, it´s people that are shit.

[MostlyEvilKiwi]

I haven't used outlaw for dungeons since September, normally I run assass and do just fine. For giggles the other week after hitting 35 on my assass artifact I wanted to start throwing some points into my other two specs, and have my outlaw up at 29, so I tried doing a random dungeon as outlaw to see how it felt. I rolled 15 singles in a row before finally getting a double - and yes, I was counting them. I then stopped right there mid-dungeon and spec switched back to assass. You can guess what my opinion of outlaw is

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I think you are confusing luck with "skill". You can do 400dps on a pull if you get bad rolls your whole curse, or you can do 800k if you suddenly get 6 rolls pre pull.

Yeah this is not inconsistent at all you´re right, it´s people that are shit.

You do realize that the one outbreak of damage doesnt make it "inconsistent", do you? Its called "spike".
If you make 100 kills and in 99 of them you deal 400k DPS and in one you deal 800k it still can be called consistent.

And in case of Outlaw its consistent with a "slightly" higher damage variance than other specs, a Specc without dmg variance doesnt excist. As Assa you can also do either 420k or 435k DPS.

I rolled 15 singles in a row before finally getting a double

The fact that you rolled 15 times in a row says alot about you, young padawan.

[Rixan]

Subtlety with The Dreadlord's Deceit and Shadow Satyr's Walk... can compete with anyone in terms of total dmg.

I'm sub and have Deceit and Cindarias and TBH even without the boots i do pretty nasty damage - a 30 stack Deceit usage on a fresh cluster of mobs, proccing cindarias bonus damage - legitimately great AOE damage

I finished a DHT+14 this week in the timer and warcraft logs was showing my parse as the only sub rogue parse ever for a DHT14, lol - such low representation

[MostlyEvilKiwi]

The fact that you rolled 15 times in a row says alot about you, young padawan.

heh, what is says is that I was rolling 15 in a row purely to see just how long the streak of singles would go for.

[Valnar]

heh, what is says is that I was rolling 15 in a row purely to see just how long the streak of singles would go for.

You do realize that a single true bearings in most situations is better than some double rolls right?

[Yhcti]

With the AK catchup coming I'm just gonna finish my dh to 25 then run the rogue to 20 with the Hunter and just chuck 35 traits in all 3 specs. Can't take that long to get 35 traits with ak20+ surely.

[Sephiroso]

With the AK catchup coming I'm just gonna finish my dh to 25 then run the rogue to 20 with the Hunter and just chuck 35 traits in all 3 specs. Can't take that long to get 35 traits with ak20+ surely.

It wouldn't, but why would you do that unless you had plans to play all 3 specs? If you don't have plans to play all the specs, its pointless spending ap in the spec.