Tax cuts are old and outdated -Swedish finance minister.

[Masark]

we have a chance to make good reforms next year to replace aca.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. The Republicans have no plan for reform, only elimination.

we need to do things like allow medicare to negotiate drug prices.

You're not going to get that. You're going to get Medicare (and Medicaid) eliminated.

why that wasn't included when they drew up aca still puzzles me?

Ask Lieberman. He's the one responsible for ensuring there would be no public option.

[Release]

The "fair share" is in quotation because YOU YOURSELF acknowledge it is bullshit. If you genuinely cared for society, you would support everyone paying the same, since everyone would potentially get the same service or are rich people priortized first as a standard policy in your country? If not, then you lose the moral high ground.

Rich people should pay more. He means he pays for what he uses then pays additional to that because he earns a high wage. The rich subsidizing the poor is what western civilization is built on. The numbers go up and down but take that away you'll end up with a country like South Africa which I don't think anybody wants.

[Barnabas]

Well, yeah, I agree with that also, but I'm not sure how it contradicts that idea of providing universal catastrophic coverage.

Because we simply cannot even fathom that at this point. That will take many reforms to reach that point. You can't simply skip to Go and collect $200 here.

[Spectral]

Because we simply cannot even fathom that at this point. That will take many reforms to reach that point. You can't simply skip to Go and collect $200 here.

*shrug*

I really don't see how an expansion of a more limited form of Medicaid is a particularly radical policy proposal.

[shimerra]

Because we simply cannot even fathom that at this point. That will take many reforms to reach that point. You can't simply skip to Go and collect $200 here.

Sure we can. The only thing stopping us is a subset of the population that shits their pants and thinks it's automatically evil or more expensive any time the government does anything.

And the egalitarian approach to taxes is just stupid.

[Masark]

I really don't see how an expansion of a more limited form of Medicaid is a particularly radical policy proposal.

Because the current crop of Republicans see having medicaid at all as being a radical policy proposal.

[Aggrophobic]

Are you plain admitting that you don't have any argument, and too stupid to read, to boot?

The monthly pay of a high paying job in US gets up against 15k monthly: This is about 142.500 swedish kr a Month.

The same job, in Sweden, is about 35k.

A avg appartment in sweden is about 4k swedish, you could probably land the equivilant for about 1k dollars a month, or maybe more.

The relative %:ages follows: 11.4%ish of 35k pay, 6.67%ish of 15k monthly.

The prices of food on relative scale in New York compared to Sweden, is 2-3 times the swedish price on things.

Some examples: 500 gr of a Chicken, 7$, which means 14$ per/kilo, in Sweden it's 5$ etc.

Which means that as long as the remainder of your pay, is 2-3 times higher, than that of sweden, the rest is a net-gain.

The remainder after rent, is 133k Swedish, compared to where you have 31k in Sweden. The max range which we set, where everything turns into netgain, occurs after (31*3 = 93) - So you would effectively have a netgain of ((133 - 93) /3) in Swedish k's, which is about
an effective 13k Swedish kronor more a month, for the same job, in terms of converting it to Swedish kronor.

Which means that you'd netgain 37%, in effective pay, for the same job, with living in one of the worlds most expensive areas, by working in the US.

Your calculations are way, way off and again, the standard of living, on average is way higher in Sweden.
I've lived in both the US and Sweden and I'd take Sweden without a doubt.

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Your calculations are way, way off and again, the standard of living, on average is way higher in Sweden.
I've lived in both the US and Sweden and I'd take Sweden without a doubt.

Feel free to provide actual numbers, then.

You're calling people delusional but provide no numbers. Hilarious.

Actually, i'll go one step further, just to make a statement:

https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/new-york-city

https://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=Sen...er&l1=New+York

https://www.timeout.com/newyork/blog...-expect-082115

https://bostadsportal.se/hyresbostad...e=0&maxRooms=1

The only errors i found, was that my estimations of how much you pay for appartments, which was off by 400, on a median in the lowest area.

And to think, all it took, was to google a bit for about 3 minutes.

You're not very smart, are you. Nor do you seem able to read - I LITERALLY, exclude "Average" in terms of How much you get payed. For a reason.
Cause the US does not provide good living standards for thoose poor - But the higher you go, the better off, you are in the US, by comparison.

[Dezerte]

Feel free to provide actual numbers, then.

You're calling people delusional but provide no numbers. Hilarious.

Well, there's this.

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Well, there's this.

And when i scale out Housing, Income, Jobs, Health, Safety, Work-Life balance, the only one that surpasses the US is the Switzerlands.

Sweden ranks lower, on that scale. So, even that confirms what i am saying, that's kinda funny.

[Plutarch78]

Tax cuts do no real good. The money you "save" still isn't money freed up for you to use. Your costs will go up as a result of the government not having that money they lose from the tax cut.
One way or another, you have to pay. Just look at the US and their horrendous health insurance system. You think paying less taxes helps anyone with their health?
We enjoy more freedom and liberty than they do and both of those cost money. Our lives are more equal. Our lives are more valued. All because we share in the cost of what it means to have our country.

I suggest you study the history of the Social Democracts and worker unions from the early 1900's, what they did for Sweden, why and how. Solidarity, freedom and liberty are Swedens core values and I'd hate to see them erroded with selfserving, selfish, arrogant mindsets from abroad.
People back then wanted equal chance for a good life, equal opportunity and freedom. They achieved it by coming together and founding the core values of our country today, so that nobody would be controlled by some lord or forced into anything or told they're not allowed to aspire above their "station".
We are not ruled by corporate greed.
We don't owe our lives to the people with the most money.
When we go to vote we know our votes matter and that we're not voting for some corporate puppet or warmongering billionaire.

Such things aren't free. But perhaps you're too young to know of any kind of struggle like that. Perhaps the system that your parents and their parents built for you have spoiled you so that you don't know what you've got. Well I don't want to live in Little America, where money and selfishness is the top priority. I know there are many, many Americans out there that would agree with that sentiment but have lost all hope that their voice can even be heard.

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I wouldn't expect you of all people to know squat about my country or its values.

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Not in our current situation that's for sure. It's quite the opposite, we need a lot more money for pretty much everything. So cutting anyones taxes as it is today would be a bad thing.

The more a government can provide, the more it will take away.

[alexw]

And when i scale out Housing, Income, Jobs, Health, Safety, Work-Life balance, the only one that surpasses the US is the Switzerlands.

Sweden ranks lower, on that scale. So, even that confirms what i am saying, that's kinda funny.

Errr it ranks Sweden as higher on most of those.

http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/sweden/

Scroll down and chose compare to united states.

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Errr it ranks Sweden as higher on most of those.

http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/sweden/

Scroll down and chose compare to united states.

On the individual parts, yes, but the grand total on indexing still trumps it as a higher rank, if you sort it by ranking.

Then again, i suppose these are general values, not factual set in stone - And i suppose that if you have enough money to live in a good place, then you need not care for a lot of the "Dangers", because you avoid the gang ridden places and stuff.

[alexw]

On the individual parts, yes, but the grand total on indexing still trumps it as a higher rank, if you sort it by ranking.

Then again, i suppose these are general values, not factual set in stone - And i suppose that if you have enough money to live in a good place, then you need not care for a lot of the "Dangers", because you avoid the gang ridden places and stuff.

Well the way I see it is if you are Mr or Miss average or lower then Sweden is better. If you are rich enough to be able to avoid the negatives of US society then its better. Lord knows the US is not a place to be if you are poor.

[Deleted]

Well the way I see it is if you are Mr or Miss average or lower then Sweden is better. If you are rich enough to be able to avoid the negatives of US society then its better. Lord knows the US is not a place to be if you are poor.

I very much agree to this ; Sweden has very high taxes to serve to help a lot of the outcasts of society, Social services are well developed, etc.

Sure, the system has flaws, but it's nothing akin to USA's quite clear capitalism.

And i think that some people who live in Sweden, are very emotionally attached to that idea in a self-identifying concept ; That they see it as that they are comfortable with living in a country that presents thoose values.

Which is good for them, i suppose, but after a certain point (see: 50%+ taxes), you really start to see the issues of Sweden, coupeled with that some things that you guys can take for granted in the US (Like handymen helping you with your bags and stuff) ; is non-existant in Sweden, basically.

To some extent, even having a normal apartment in the main city, could be considered a lucky fate, in Sweden, cause you "reached the top", but it's kind of laughable, in a sense, compared to the US, if you compare the tops there (Where you basically become immune to the law and stuff)

[alexw]

I very much agree to this ; Sweden has very high taxes to serve to help a lot of the outcasts of society, Social services are well developed, etc.

Sure, the system has flaws, but it's nothing akin to USA's quite clear capitalism.

And i think that some people who live in Sweden, are very emotionally attached to that idea in a self-identifying concept ; That they see it as that they are comfortable with living in a country that presents thoose values.

Which is good for them, i suppose, but after a certain point (see: 50%+ taxes), you really start to see the issues of Sweden, coupeled with that some things that you guys can take for granted in the US (Like handymen helping you with your bags and stuff) ; is non-existant in Sweden, basically.

To some extent, even having a normal apartment in the main city, could be considered a lucky fate, in Sweden, cause you "reached the top", but it's kind of laughable, in a sense, compared to the US, if you compare the tops there (Where you basically become immune to the law and stuff)

Well the reason there are grocery baggers, etc, is because they are paid so little. When you have to pay decent wages to anybody who works it becomes cost prohibitive to employ someone in a position of such marginal utility.

But I don't think the top here are going to remain so "high" for too much longer. People are not happy with it, and there is a clear majority of people who want much higher taxes on them. You have to remember that real wages for the average person have not improved in 40 years. In many respects Trump was elected because of this anger, though its pretty obvious to all but them that he's pulled a great big con job and has no intention of cleaning out the swamp.

[Krille]

I guess nobody has mentioned that the 50% tax is progressive tax right? You don't actually pay 50% off your whole salary. You pay the normal tax (usually between 30-35%) and then everything you made above 50 000 SKR is taxed by an additional 15-20%. So it's not a 50/50 slice of your salary like some people seem to suggest.

Not to mention that NOBODY that rich in Sweden is actually paying an insanely large amount of tax, they're "tax-planning", everyone is.

[Deleted]

I guess nobody has mentioned that the 50% tax is progressive tax right? You don't actually pay 50% off your whole salary. You pay the normal tax (usually between 30-35%) and then everything you made above 50 000 SKR is taxed by an additional 15-20%. So it's not a 50/50 slice of your salary like some people seem to suggest.

Not to mention that NOBODY that rich in Sweden is actually paying an insanely large amount of tax, they're "tax-planning", everyone is.

Progressive tax or not, you are left with lower pays and lower purchasing powers than the same job would level you in other countries ; Which has been a standing point.

[Krille]

Progressive tax or not, you are left with lower pays and lower purchasing powers than the same job would level you in other countries ; Which has been a standing point.

Yes if you're a dumbass. You obviously don't tax anything close to 50% if you know what you're doing.

[Kryos]

Its not the politicians, its the big companies that make the rules. Taxes are basically theft and only there to keep the unwashed masses happy and prevent those annoying upstarts from catching up.
Ideally taxes shouldn't even exist or at the very least be only limited to army upkeep, cops and basic infrastructure.

Without taxes there would be no national army, no police, no public schools, no public health system, no infrastructure like roads in places that don't yield big money. Taxes are needed. The things you listed are the majority of the costs. So ideally taxes should exist, but there needs to be constant control how taxes are spend so no tax money gets wasted.

People who claim that you don't need taxes should just play a single round of Sim City with taxes set to 0. It's a simple game compared to reality but it makes very clear how important taxes are and that too high and too low taxes are both a similar problem.